Zac Payne: Full Podcast Transcript (part 2)

Host: Maximiliano Fabres

Guest: Zac Payne

Location: Bristol, UK

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyzQJvVkLVE&t=2426s

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5gOYC63X1jwxiiwfnFfh7I?si=3fb69d523a51441f

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Maximiliano: So So if if it would be for me, I would live in a hut in the middle of the woods.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: I don't mind it. Like I I really would love that. Have some chickens.

Zac: Have some.

Maximiliano: Like I would love

Zac: I would love that as well. And I and I think I'll probably have that actually. Um I'm sure I'm sure that's I I know there's uh some land that you can buy for about 20k. It's not that much.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: Uh it's 20k, mate. It's

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: I mean, it's for the grand scheme of things is nothing, mate.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah. True. True. True. True.

Zac: So with 20k technically, you could have water.

Maximiliano: Yep. Uh cuz well yeah free water technically.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Uh a place to live and if you have like let's say three hectares. So that would be a little bit more. So let's say 60k.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: You could live by yourself and not need the outside world.

Zac: Sweet.

Maximiliano: So I just need 60k.

Zac: 60 or I mean but but that's in England. if if you really want to do that somewhere else.

Maximiliano: I don't want to live in England, I don't think.

Zac: Yeah. I mean, uh I've seen this in Thailand.

Maximiliano: Thailand's very cheap.

Zac: Yeah. It's like three hectare. Well, per hector is like 5k.

Maximiliano: So, you can buy your beach house basically for

Zac: 15k

Maximiliano: and then live there and not neither community at all.

Zac: Mhm.

Maximiliano: And that's it. I can see you doing that. Like being completely selfish self.

Zac: Yeah, I I don't mind it.

Maximiliano: Yeah, I mean that sounds great.

Zac: Yeah. The only problem is that I really want kids and stuff like that. So

Maximiliano: yeah,

Zac: but anyways.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: So uh you went to this cocktail bar and then you uh started going to Switzerland. Well, you Switzerland. I went snowboarding, came back um

Maximiliano: to the cocktail bar or to

Zac: Yeah, to the cocktail bar for a little bit

Maximiliano: in England or

Zac: Yeah. Yeah. This is back in England. Yeah.

Maximiliano: Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: Yeah. Um forgot to say as well through all of this at the start me and my for my mate's birthday who I also worked with at the bar, cocktail bar, we went to for his birthday.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah. We went to um where you can pay to get you drive around a supercar around a lap. So we went to that for his birthday and me and him got one of the like fastest times that they'd had on the lap

Zac: like from everybody like ever. So they were like do you want the job? Like you have to pay a little bit of money like 100 quid or something. we'll train you up in all the different supercars, how to drive them, how to sit while someone else drives it,

Maximiliano: (you know, safely, all of that.)

Zac: We're like, "Yes, obviously it does."

Maximiliano: Believe

Zac: that sounds.

Maximiliano: So, we did that. We got trained up and it wasn't often. It was like maybe like once a month. They did it all around Europe. It was a company called Everyman, which is like a racing experience thing. So, they did that Yeah.

Zac: >>

Maximiliano: all over England.

Zac: Mhm.

Maximiliano: So they would pay for you to travel up there. You get a hotel for the night. The next day you

Zac: drive supercars around laps for people.

Maximiliano: Go to sleep.

Zac: That was amazing. So cool. I remember once

Maximiliano: it was like the dream job for any man.

Zac: Any man. Exactly. It's perfect. I remember once they were like, "Oh, they needed me to go into town and grab something for them." And they gave me just like an Audi R8, like beautiful car to just They gave me the keys. They're like, "Yeah, yeah, just take her down, go to town, grab me some like food, come back." I was like, "Okay,

Maximiliano: sure."

Zac: She can get in. You're like, "Yeah, okay." Like driving through town like me at like 19 like felt so cool.

Maximiliano: But yeah,

Zac: I gotta say the You're you're going to hate me for this.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: I don't I don't know anything about cars.

Maximiliano: That's Yeah, fair.

Zac: But like

Maximiliano: love cars.

Zac: When you said R8,

Maximiliano: Audi R8 is just a very nice Audi sports car.

Zac: Okay. I know Audi. That's that's about it.

Maximiliano: That's a start.

Zac: Yeah, that's a start.

Maximiliano: It's a good start.

Zac: Um what else? Uh BMW. Uh like I know I know a couple brands but like that's like

Maximiliano: no it was good

Zac: which is a car apparently.

Maximiliano: Yeah I know

Zac: Kia because my family used to have one.

Maximiliano: We had it for like 12 years. We went to the

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah. We went to skiing every car like I don't know what what it had.

Zac: Yeah. Yeah. No. We used to have this car,

Maximiliano: the um old VW Comi.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Um camper van.

Zac: Me and my family.

Maximiliano: We have a Fox.

Zac: Yeah. Volkswagen.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: Volkswagen.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, we have a house in France as well.

Zac: Oh, nice. Which they bought for like 3K and like redid up. It used It's like an old barns. Oh, those type of houses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen I've seen those.

Maximiliano: It's on like a massive like few acres of land. It's on like a cider orchard.

Zac: So, the farmer who owns the fields, he basically he said to us, he's like

Maximiliano: like we're only they only visited like for two weeks every year in the summer.

Zac: Um so the farmer who lives next to us, we're in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. In Normandy in the top of France.

Maximiliano: Um so he was like, "If I can use your, you know, all of your apple trees to make cider." He for in that exchange. He lets his cows into our field to keep the grass short while we're not there and he looks after the house for us.

Zac: Oh, that's so nice.

Maximiliano: Every time we used to go over, we go in the basement, there'd be like loads of cider for us.

Zac: I mean, I don't really drink cider. But

Maximiliano: you don't?

Zac: For that for free, I would.

Maximiliano: Oh, yeah.

Zac: And it was quite nice as well knowing it's from, you know, our garden.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: Which is cool. Anyway, yes, we used to have that. We used to travel around.

Maximiliano: So nice. We used to

Zac: we used to go up every summer, travel around the south of France and that with surfboards on the top, you know, and then we'd go through Italy as well. Like

Maximiliano: your life sounds like the dream life. Like

Zac: it is. It's great.

Maximiliano: If if you could copy that like for the next

Zac: 40 years of your life,

Maximiliano: I'm going to try to do

Zac: you have a great life.

Maximiliano: Exactly. Yes. We used to do that. I forgot where I was going with that though. No, no, it doesn't matter. I'm just interested.

Zac: Um,

Maximiliano: you used to surf all around. Yeah.

Zac: Yeah. So, yeah. surfing. Yeah. I mean, my parents are very

Maximiliano: activity driven. Like we used to go like hiking, surfing. I mean, they got me into skateboarding as well.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Like just like anything. I never

Zac: They got you into skateboarding.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: That is okay. I've never heard that before. I've never heard the parent.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah. Well,

Zac: yeah. I mean, I'd never played like video games really or anything as a kid.

Maximiliano: I'd always be

Zac: I'd always be outside, you know, playing.

Maximiliano: Same with us. Yeah.

Zac: Yeah. So, like me and my dad, we build like little like skateboard ramps and stuff like outside the house.

Maximiliano: I used to like draw a skate park on the floor with chalk outside because you have like Yeah. big like turn around outside for cars to leave. So, I used to just draw a skate park and like, you know, do tricks on it when there's like there's nothing actually there. But yeah, anyway. Um, but yeah.

Zac: Well, uh, seems like you have had a pretty intense life, let's call it.

Maximiliano: Yeah. I mean, I think I just get bored quick, so I always like having something to do. So, I always have a lot of hobbies because if I get bored of one hobby, do something else.

Zac: I have other stuff to do.

Maximiliano: But yeah.

Zac: Yeah. Yeah.

Maximiliano: So, okay. So, which um my question, okay, I got a couple of questions. Uh mainly mainly towards like what made you decide to

Zac: to change? Was it was it only the like okay you got bored and let's go into the other job or was it something else? Like

Maximiliano: I just

Zac: What are you searching in? Because it seems like you're searching something for this in this job. Like what I said earlier, I like having new experiences. I like learning new skills, you know, meet new people. So, I was just like, I do something,

Maximiliano: I know how to do it.

Zac: Fine.

Maximiliano: I want to do something else now.

Zac: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Maximiliano: Also, partly get bored doing the same thing for a long period of time. I like changing

Zac: my scenery.

Maximiliano: Okay.

Zac: A lot. So, yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Know, I I can I can Yeah. I I get that the scenery thing. Yeah,

Zac: I'm now one year in well almost one year in Bristol and like my skin is starting to ache and oh my goodness it's so weird to say

Maximiliano: the only reason I'm

Zac: fine with still being in Bristol is because I've moved house this year. So I did I did my first year right in the city center.

Maximiliano: Same same what I did.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: So it's like nice change of scenery.

Zac: I don't think I will change house because I need to learn I I feel my path now is to learn how to stay in one place.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: And it's so weird like it's it doesn't feel like

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: That's what I'm like worried about cuz like when I'm older obviously I want kids and stuff.

Maximiliano: Yeah. I don't want to settle down in one place though and be stuck there for like 20 years while my kids grow.

Zac: I feel there's no need to.

Maximiliano: That's what I mean. But like I don't want to have my kids have to move schools, lose their friends, make new friends, lose them again, constantly move in.

Zac: That's a problem.

Maximiliano: It's a problem, isn't it? Like

Zac: so and that that goes into my other question like what like how the hell did you stick did you stick with the same group of friends? cuz I've uh that that's so interesting.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: I've never I've never in my entire life had a group of friends for more than five five six years.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Because did something and then something changed.

Zac: Yeah. Yeah.

Maximiliano: And then went to to the next group

Zac: and then something changed.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: What in I've had the same but I've had like the same like five or six friends who I've just been friends with since like preschool.

Maximiliano: Okay. Well, the town I live in is like very small, very close-knit community. Like everyone knows everyone. Like you walk down the street, you know, everybody.

Zac: Oh god, that sounds so good.

Maximiliano: It's nice. Yeah. So yeah, I mean Yeah. And we all have like the exact same interest. Like we all like doing everything

Zac: like like trying every hobby like so like

Maximiliano: if I want to go try something,

Zac: I'll send it to our group chat. Everyone's like, "Yeah, okay."

Maximiliano: Like it's so easy to make plans. like, "Oh, someone want to go like go-karting, rock climbing, whatever tomorrow." Everyone's like, "Yeah, okay."

Zac: That was a big problem. I was always like that, like,

Maximiliano: "Come on, let's go do something."

Zac: Well, you Well, you've known me now.

Maximiliano: Exactly.

Zac: Yeah. Yeah. And you are very driven. So,

Maximiliano: yeah. I am more of like

Zac: very

Maximiliano: I do I do stuff like that's Yeah. It's

Zac: The way I describe it is between thoughts and action, there's like a threehour time frame. Yeah. At least for me,

Maximiliano: because I don't know what what the thought will actually.

Zac: Yeah. It's the same similar with me. If I like if I get in my head that I want to do something,

Maximiliano: you just

Zac: I have to go do it like within the hour or I'll forget about it.

Maximiliano: Yeah. And then it's just wasted. It goes into the wasted things that you could have done, but you didn't at the end of the day.

Zac: So, I do I do feel like you're pretty much the same. So, it's like

Maximiliano: I'm just very like very relaxing to talk to you because I I do get there. Yeah.

Zac: If I get something in my head, I could get like the other day, right? I woke up like a week ago

Maximiliano: and I had a dream about like surfing in Morocco.

Zac: Never been. And I woke up and I was like, I want to do that. I woke Isaac up, my flat mate, who was also on the podcast.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: Shout out to Isaac that didn't repost his his the story for the podcast.

Maximiliano: I woke up.

Zac: Bastard. Please, please blur that out.

Maximiliano: I woke up. I was like, I want to do that. Woke Isaac up. I was like, mate, flights to Morocco was 60 quid. Do you want to go? He was like, yeah. Booked it. We're going in January to Morocco for 11 days for a little surfing trip.

Zac: Oh, that's so crazy.

Maximiliano: Um, so yeah,

Zac: I've got that to look forward to,

Maximiliano: you know. Yeah, this is this is something that I've had to ch choose for myself, but it's basically I I'm I'm now in the I'm I'm in a path that requires for for me to have my full attention in that thing.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: But it's mainly because I decided it's not like I can't do other stuff.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Like if I want to sleep in, for example,

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: I can sleep in. There's there's nothing stopping me.

Zac: Yeah. Yeah. Of course. But I don't want to because it's like

Maximiliano: you got stuff to do. Don't want to waste the day. It's like

Zac: exactly

Maximiliano: limited hours.

Zac: And now with vacations and stuff like that, I haven't taken vacations in in a while now.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: I think in uh the maximum vacation that I had was four days uh this year.

Maximiliano: Really?

Zac: Yeah. Four days of vacation. And I worked and that was after working about three months in a row. seven days a week about 14 to 16 hours a day

Maximiliano: in my in the sales job that I had.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's uh Nathaniel, a guy that was in the podcast.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Um he I think we talked about it.

Zac: We talked about him

Maximiliano: briefly. Yeah.

Zac: Oh my god. is it was the um the my boss had to like tell me a like go if not I have to block your ID for you to like leave

Maximiliano: like please take your vacation

Zac: take the vacation

Maximiliano: take something like oh you know

Zac: fair enough

Maximiliano: yeah faster than let me but it's just because I really want to do it I'm I'm like it's so exciting to do the stuff, you know.

Zac: Yeah. See, I've got one of my other housemates uh who I live with

Maximiliano: um has quite a well off family. Yeah.

Zac: Like

Maximiliano: very well off with money, I would say. But I um he was talking to he said his dad's advice to him was and all other people who have a lot of money have said to him, if you have money when you're young, there's no point in saving it. Spend it on traveling and seeing the world.

Zac: Dumb stuff.

Maximiliano: Do Yeah. Is it live live your life?

Zac: Yeah. So that you you're not just wasting your younger years.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: Like so that's what I'm trying to do.

Maximiliano: 100%. No. No. That's

Zac: trying to do everything whilst I can still do it.

Maximiliano: Yeah. You know.

Zac: So like I don't want to waste that.

Maximiliano: I mean um things I already did that kind of.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Because I started like hitchhiking on my own when I was 16 17.

Zac: That's cool. So it was just like I just starting going out and well hitchhiking in scouts at least in the group that I was in.

Maximiliano: You stop doing it since you're 13 or 12 depending on

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: So you start hitchhiking there and like go on walks and then you start like going to Paris and then like

Maximiliano: (you know so like and then I started hitchhiking on my own and I went for a month. It wasn't like a short trip.)

Zac: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did the whole south of Chile in in a little bit of the south of Argentina

Maximiliano: in a month and I forgot my phone. My mom wants to kill me that. Yes. Yeah. I forgot my phone.

Zac: In the first in the first uh person who took me who was a friend of my dad's as well.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: So it was good. It was safe.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: But from then onwards I had no phone.

Maximiliano: Oh my god. That's insane.

Zac: My mom wanted to kill me. I remember that. The first call, mate. Oh god. first call is awful.

Maximiliano: Um but yeah, then I went to uh the north of Chile. I went to like

Zac: then um went to Peru. Very nice. Did the surfing trip. Yeah,

Maximiliano: in Lima.

Zac: Uh went to Lima and then I did the northern bits.

Maximiliano: I did surfing in Lima.

Zac: Yeah,

Maximiliano: it's great.

Zac: It's good. Lima is a good It's a good beach as well. It's very rocky though.

Maximiliano: Yeah, it is quite rocky. Yeah.

Zac: But well, you need that anyway. So,

Maximiliano: just in case you fall, something to land on.

Zac: Yeah. Talking about that, I actually fell in

Maximiliano: I think it's near this town uh like four, six hours north.

Zac: Okay.

Maximiliano: Uh and yeah, I fell of one of the waves.

Zac: Mhm.

Maximiliano: And I Well, I have like a cut hair and I got Yeah, I got knocked out. I just like got

Zac: out of the water by somebody like

Maximiliano: That's insane.

Zac: Yeah. He could have died there.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: You could have died there. That's crazy.

Maximiliano: So weird.

Zac: Yeah. Well, it is. It is.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: I have so many injuries from doing stuff.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: Broken so many bones. It's insane.

Maximiliano: But yeah.

Zac: So, but that's why I don't have like that like need of like

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: You know,

Maximiliano: thing is

Zac: I've done it which means makes me want to do it more.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: Oh, no. For me, it was more like a impulse that Yeah, I've done it. I'm I'm good for now. For now.

Maximiliano: If in the future like returns, then I'll probably do it. But

Zac: yeah. Yeah. Fair enough.

Maximiliano: Yeah. That's why like when when you mentioned this trip to go to Morocco and stuff.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Like I really want to do it.

Zac: You can.

Maximiliano: Huh?

Zac: You can.

Maximiliano: I can. But I'm

Zac: You're choosing not to. I'm choose like it's h this thing about um that I read about um who was it the guy who was in Apple something uh what CEO of Apple used to be

Maximiliano: Steve Jobs

Zac: Steve Jobs

Maximiliano: I don't know it

Zac: that's a complete guess

Maximiliano: well anyway I think so I think it was Steve Jobs anyway but yeah

Zac: so he had this thing where um apparently he asked uh his committee or like the sea suites C executives

Maximiliano: uh he used to ask them how many times have you said no today

Zac: to things that you really want to do you really think is a good idea

Maximiliano: but you consciously decide not to because you're working on something else

Zac: and I feel that's what separates um a lot of how much you achieve in that specific area that you choose.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: So, I'm like,

Maximiliano: yeah,

Zac: throwing a lot of stuff away, so to say, that I could do and that would be an incredible life and I know it would be

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: But I'm deciding not to because I want to have this big thing.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah, of course.

Zac: Which Yeah. Which doesn't mean you should have it. I don't recommend it anyway.

Maximiliano: Unless you really want it.

Zac: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Um, well, so, uh, going back to your friends, mate.

Maximiliano: How the hell did you do it?

Zac: Do what?

Maximiliano: Keep up with your friends, mate. Like,

Zac: what? I We're all

Maximiliano: I know. I know you said like they're all motivated, but like what

Zac: what do you mean? Like, what do you mean? How do I keep up with them?

Maximiliano: No, not keep up. Uh, I mean like how do you motivate them or like what's what do you reckon does everybody have in your group of friends that

Zac: we're all just the exact same like

Maximiliano: that's terrible. No,

Zac: like we all have the same hobbies. Um, like we all like doing the same things. We're all down to just drop everything and like go on a trip somewhere.

Maximiliano: Like we all Last summer we all went to Wales for a few days camping out of the blue because we were just bored. So one of them just drove us all up there.

Zac: So good, man.

Maximiliano: Remember we were we were driving through like the little country lanes in Wales

Zac: and me and my mate were like sat out the back in the back of the car like sat out the windows holding on.

Maximiliano: We may have smoked a little bit.

Zac: May or may have not.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: Tobacco of course. Yeah. Yes, of course. Absolutely. And we were driving really fast through these country lanes at like 2 in the morning

Maximiliano: on a gravel road. Sharp corner came out of nowhere. The moment he was driving, like slammed the car around, slammed on the brakes. We skidded through a fence into a field. Bear in mind, we're like hanging out the car. No one got hurt. The car was fine. Thank god.

Zac: But like I could have been so bad. We just we just reversed out the field and carried on. We all like got back in the car like like drove back silent to our cab like the like that's insane. But yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: But yeah, like that. That's why we like everybody's just down to go explore something new

Maximiliano: any day. It

Zac: feels like you have this hunger for life.

Maximiliano: Oh, 100%. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I want to

Zac: I didn't hear properly. You have this hunger for life. There you go.

Maximiliano: Yes.

Zac: Like Yeah. Like I just want to go out and do as much as possible. Like I just want to do things.

Maximiliano: And what what is your bucket list now for for the future?

Zac: Bucket list? Everything. I want to I want to try and go to as many countries and cultures as possible.

Maximiliano: Learn.

Zac: Oh, you might like this then.

Maximiliano: What? Uh, I know a Swiss lady that has this thing with her friends.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: That says uh for every year that they

Zac: Oh, yeah.

Maximiliano: However old they however whatever their age, they have to travel for to that many countries.

Zac: Really?

Maximiliano: At least for one night.

Zac: That's clever. I like that actually.

Maximiliano: They have to spend at least a night in that country. full 24 hours. It doesn't count if you're like just doing

Zac: like a layover or something. Yeah. Yeah.

Maximiliano: So,

Zac: I think she was uh 46 when I 43 I think when when I met her.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: great. She's been everywhere. Like everywhere.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah. That sounds really

Zac: So, I think you you and your mates I think you and your mates really appreciate it.

Maximiliano: I might try to do that now. I might need to catch up on a few countries for you. Please call out your friends and say uh them to listen to this part of the podcast hopefully. I'm kidding.

Zac: No. Yeah.

Maximiliano: But what what else do you want to do?

Zac: What else do I want to do after I finish uni? I know it's quite like cliche, but I want to go to Australia for a few years because I mean it suits what I like doing. Like surfing is everything. What's

Maximiliano: you like

Zac: like and they speak English so it makes it easier

Maximiliano: for me

Zac: a lot

Maximiliano: going to a country where you don't know the language

Zac: yeah it's difficult is it

Maximiliano: makes everything more more and even if you know the language

Zac: if you know it partially and don't know it well

Maximiliano: still difficult

Zac: oh god it's a

Maximiliano: it's a pain in the ass when I came to England for for example first time it's a pain in the ass

Zac: really you didn't know English

Maximiliano: I mean

Zac: a little But

Maximiliano: the second time I came at least well as an adult. When I came as an adult

Zac: 18year-olds plus

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Zac: Then uh when I was

Maximiliano: No, it wasn't

Zac: cuz I needed to read the

Maximiliano: the paperwork and I couldn't understand it

Zac: and stuff. Yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah. And stuff like that.

Zac: Confusing, is it? English grammar.

Maximiliano: Yeah, that as well. So, yeah.

Zac: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Australia. I haven't done much of Asia either. I've been to Malaysia and Indonesia.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Okay. Not bad.

Zac: But, you know, I haven't done like all of Thailand and everything, but that that's where like everyone goes. So, I didn't do that straight away. I wanted to do something different. So, I went to South America.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Which bits?

Zac: I did Colombia, Peru, and Brazil.

Maximiliano: You didn't do Chile.

Zac: Chile. I had a layover in Chile at one point.

Maximiliano: No, that doesn't

Zac: don't count. So,

Maximiliano: beyond traveling, what would you like to do

Zac: beyond traveling? Um, I don't I don't know. I think I think just exploring is what I want to do. Like,

Maximiliano: I don't know where I'm going to end up. I think somewhere along the line where I'm exploring, I'll find somewhere that I really like and I'll probably just settle there. And then why do you why did you go for an arts degree?

Zac: Um because like it look just looking from the outside. Okay.

Maximiliano: It feels like you're not you're not into it at all.

Zac: I am very into it. Like

Maximiliano: it feels like you're into doing the stuff that would be more of a technical or apprenticeship type of work. You know

Zac: I am. See, this is what I've also been thinking. I'm very hands-on.

Maximiliano: Yeah. I don't

Zac: I like the hands on

Maximiliano: just looking at what you told me, mate. I don't know.

Zac: Art I do is hands-on.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: Like I like working on quite a big scale. I haven't much recently, but I'm trying to get back to doing like big pieces of work things, designing, but I also

Maximiliano: and stuff like that

Zac: that are I can do from anywhere.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: Like so that's fine. But also, I'm kind of just doing it because I like doing it. I know I can do it and I wanted to come to uni for the experience mostly.

Maximiliano: For the experience,

Zac: for the drinking culture, basically

Maximiliano: pretty much. Um, but yeah, like I don't know, maybe if I end up living somewhere else, say Australia.

Zac: Mhm.

Maximiliano: I might end up doing a carpentry apprenticeship. Fine by me. Just we'll see. I think I'll always be doing art on the side like anyway

Zac: because it's just you.

Maximiliano: Yeah, because I just I like it. I love it. It's great. Yeah.

Zac: Yeah. Fair. Fair. Okay. Okay. I see. I see what you Yeah. Yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah. I'm just very I know. I've been brought up around very creative people. Like I'm not academic at all.

Zac: Like No. But yeah.

Maximiliano: Oh, wait. I got to I got to ask you, how the hell did you become a reverend?

Zac: Oh yeah. Uh please tell me that.

Maximiliano: It's really easy. It's just a simple

Zac: Okay. Uh reverent. What What is a reverend for people who are

Maximiliano: I'm not entirely sure to be honest. I am one. Basically, you can you can it means you can marry people and do like

Zac: legally. Yeah.

Maximiliano: Ceremonies. Yeah. So like say you and your partner or something wanted to get married.

Zac: Uhhuh.

Maximiliano: I could be the one to officiate the wedding. You know, you may kiss the bride, whatever.

Zac: Yeah,

Maximiliano: that's crazy. Okay. Yeah.

Zac: Yeah.

Maximiliano: And is it only in England or

Zac: Probably I think so.

Maximiliano: Okay.

Zac: Um No, but me and my my dad teaches religious studies as I said, so he knows about all that stuff. So, we were bored one day and he said we were talking about that and he said, "I found like a website online. It's free. You just do like a 10-minute course and you sign up, put your name, full name and everything and they send you like the certificate like you you just you are a reverend. That's all you have to do." Oh, I think it's it's England and America because it's an American site like it's American church that does it in like Miami, I think. I can't remember what the name of the site otherwise I would say. Of course, this is a American church and in Miami. Of course, it is.

Maximiliano: But so now I have the certificate like I'm a licensed reverend. I could get on my passport like Reverend Zack if I wanted.

Zac: Reverend Zack.

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: Oh my god.

Maximiliano: On my ID or anything, I can have Reverend put there because it's my title. I don't know. Me and my dad were just bored. We thought it'd be funny.

Zac: Are you planning on marrying someone?

Maximiliano: Nope.

Zac: No. Just

Maximiliano: would you would you marry one of your friends though?

Zac: Oh, 100%. If they wanted me to be awfully

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Zac: Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

Maximiliano: Call them out. Tell them.

Zac: I don't know anyone's getting married, but Yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah. I know.

Zac: But yeah.

Maximiliano: And what are your views on that though

Zac: on marriage and stuff like that? Because it seems like you want to move a lot as you said. So

Maximiliano: I would buy being married. I love Yeah. the I'd love to be like introduced. Yeah. This is my wife. Like I love that. Sounds great.

Zac: It sounds good.

Maximiliano: I don't know what it does, but like this my wife

Zac: like Yeah, that sounds nice. But yeah,

Maximiliano: okay.

Zac: Yeah,

Maximiliano: Zach.

Zac: Yes.

Maximiliano: Thank you very much for being on this podcast.

Zac: You're very welcome.

Maximiliano: I know how many minutes we are on. Probably like 3 hours. No, but uh thank you very much uh for being on this podcast uh today. Uh and we are uh please follow us on Instagram, YouTube, SoundCloud, Tik Tok. Yes. And uh Spotify, which I will create the account uh when whenever this whenever this thing is uh out. So uh thank you very much again uh for listening this week. Uh, and well, enjoy your weekend.