Rossie Henderson: Full Podcast Transcript
- beyondhorizon965
- Aug 2
- 50 min read
Host: Maximiliano Fabres
Guest: Rossie Henderson
Location: Bristol, UK
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Maximiliano: Hello guys, welcome back to Beyond the Horizon podcast, the podcast where you expand your horizons of knowledge. With me today, Rossy Henderson Beg.
Rossy: Hi.
Maximiliano: Hello there. So, Rossy, um, tell us a little bit about yourself.
Rossy: Okay. Um, thank you for having me here. Um, I am an abstract oceanic artist living in Bristol. I'm married with three kids and yeah, art is my living.
Maximiliano: Oh, congratulations. Um, so, first of all, we have this uh incredible ceremony in in this podcast where you light a candle.
Rossy: Okay. If you could.
Maximiliano: Nice.
Rossy: If I can.
Maximiliano: Yeah, I think I might need to buy a new candle.
Rossy: There we go. Yeah, it's all good.
Maximiliano: There we go. Perfect.
Rossy: So, Rosie.
Maximiliano: Uh, okay. So um you said uh you are married an artist uh and so on but that it hasn't well the married and kids has been for a long time.
Rossy: It has.
Maximiliano: Yeah. Uh but the art hasn't been uh as long sorry.
Rossy: Forever. No. Yeah. I changed my career a few years ago to become an artist.
Maximiliano: Okay. Uh so what did you do?
Rossy: Who am I? What did I do before that?
Maximiliano: Yeah.
Rossy: So, um, I have a degree in drama and Christian ministry.
Maximiliano: And sorry, what?
Rossy: In drama and Christian ministry. So, so it's a joint degree. So, it wasn't Christian drama, it was drama. And so, I did two subjects at university, drama and Christian ministry.
Maximiliano: Okay.
Rossy: Christian ministry was more about mentoring, leadership, team building, different we study different aspects of the Bible, but less just theology and more practical. So, yeah, it was great.
Maximiliano: I'm very interested in that now.
Rossy: Well, unfortunately, my amazing lecturer um I think he's passed away now. He certainly retired. So, and he was the one that wrote it. He was the one that that taught it. And when he retired, the course died with him, unfortunately. So, but yes, but more I'm sure there are more courses out there like it these days, but however long ago it was, it was Yeah, it was great.
Maximiliano: Okay, so you did that in drama. Uh, what did you like about drama?
Rossy: What do I like about drama?
Maximiliano: Why did you start doing that?
Rossy: My main I've always loved acting and writing. And my the thing actually that I discovered I really loved I co-wrote and directed our final um drama piece for the degree and I loved I loved doing that. That was based it was based on Little Red Riding Hood but very kind of more grown up and dark and mysterious and all and Yeah. It was it was great fun.
Maximiliano: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and what did you do after that?
Rossy: Um well basically I graduated and then flew to Australia and um started uh the kind of in induction course of um six six months. So the I was with start again um I joined a Christian mission organization called called Youth with a Mission or YWAM is what they're kind of globally known as. And um if you want to join them, you do um what's called a discipleship training school, which is usually about five or six months. And the first half is each week you have lectures on a different aspect of God like relationships, evangelism, theology, um the father heart of God, all sorts of things. And then the second half of it, you go on a mission trip.
Maximiliano: M.
Rossy: So my mission trip was actually um I stayed in Australia and um went to various towns, different indigenous communities and did all sorts of things from youth work to feeding the homeless to teaching all all sorts of things. So I did that um that was in Newcastle near Sydney in Australia in 2005 and then I moved up to Darwin which is kind of top middle of Australia. So 12:00 if Australia was a clock. Um a gorgeous place tropical. um and um joined my who was then boyfriend now husband up there and yeah joined staff with um YWAM Darwin.
Maximiliano: Oo so I'm guessing it was fun.
Rossy: Yeah, it was great. It was Yeah, it was really great.
Maximiliano: Yeah. Uh so like Christianity is like a big part of it.
Rossy: Yeah. Always has been. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of Yeah. I've I've never sort of been that interested in the religious legalistic side of sort of the.
Maximiliano: What do you mean by religious kind like?
Rossy: Um Christianity to me is about having a relationship with God rather than following a bunch of do and don't rules. So God.
Maximiliano: Amen to that.
Rossy: So so God to me is obviously you know the creator of the universe, the creator of each one of us. He is here with us. Um, and I yeah, I just I think it goes much deeper than let's go to church on a Sunday morning and follow a bunch of rules. Um, you know, I like obviously God has rules in which to live by that are the best way to live, but it's more than that and it's deeper than that. And it's having a Yeah. having a deep relationship with the God of the universe. So yeah, so it's it's yeah, I grew I grew up going to church and yeah, it's always been a big part of my life and the main purpose of what keeps me going and yeah.
Maximiliano: Yeah, fair enough. For me, it hasn't at all.
Rossy: Fair enough. No, that's fine.
Maximiliano: Right. Uh I've been struggling. I've been battling against myself to uh find God basically for the past two years, two, three years now. So yeah, I've been going to church. As I say, I'm doing the exercises.
Rossy: Which church are you going to?
Maximiliano: Uh I'm going to a Baptist church. Uh Broadme.
Rossy: Broadman Baptist Church in the center.
Maximiliano: Uh quite good. I actually had the pastor here. Uh nice and he was interviewed. It was great.
Rossy: Is that the Mark guy?
Maximiliano: Mark. Yes.
Rossy: Yes. Mark is my pastor. One of one of So, it's.
Maximiliano: It was amazing to have him on the podcast.
Rossy: Well, you're welcome at our church anytime if you wanted to try something different.
Maximiliano: Whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait. Stop ting me like that. Stop.
Rossy: It's called Seven Church and it meets at the old fire station on a Sunday morning at 10 o'clock. Good plug. So, yeah.
Maximiliano: Yeah. No, but what I was going to say is uh something that actually really helped me was to. Recently I uh I saw this podcast from founders. It's a great podcast about different businessmen and so on. Uh but it's about biographies mainly. Uh and he did a one for Jesus recently. Incredible incredible podcast. Fully recommend it if you if you're into that. So yeah. Well, anyways, so um I'm guessing because you chose drama as as like a study and so on and now your current profession. Um I'm guessing you grew up surrounded by art.
Rossy: Yeah. I mean.
Maximiliano: Am I wrong or no?
Rossy: No, my my dad um is retired now, but he was head of art and design at university.
Maximiliano: Oh, okay. Yeah. So.
Rossy: So yeah. And I when I was old enough, I started singing in church and even Right. So, from when I was two to when I was seven, we lived in the Netherlands and um and went to a really fun um expat church there. And I remember right from the word go doing like little they had kind of fun shows where we would do like random things. I remember being about three singing like the mouse lived in a windmill in old Amsterdam, you know. So not like not all Christian stuff but just kind of fun like you know I remember my dad dressing up with this long wig like playing like um guitar riffs and like you know being dire straits and all of that kind of stuff. So it's yeah and and my mom used to sing and things like that. So it's always yeah we've always been and my sister was a professional dancer for a few years as well and my brother is an audio producer and yeah we're all rather creative. So yeah so it's never been a you know some some people I speak to have always said like their parents were kind of would frown upon the creative but my my parents weren't like that. You know, they're also quite academic and and so am I. But but yeah, creativity was always just a natural thing. I didn't know any different. It was just Yeah.
Maximiliano: Yeah.
Rossy: Was there.
Maximiliano: I can tell uh that you were academic as soon as I met you. Cuz you started telling me about different types of p painting and I was like, "Okay, she has studied it." Like, I've never actually studied art. No, but like I can tell that you have like the academic tendency. So, yeah. No, fair enough. So, did you like always felt like this calling towards art?
Rossy: Um, I've always really loved anything creative and I always really loved painting, but at school it was very it felt especially in like when I was a teenager in high school, it felt quite rigid and quite you have to paint this certain way or you're not very good. And because I I'm not really gifted in like drawing or painting realism. You know, there are some amazing amazing artists out there who can do like there are people that I follow on Instagram who have like, you know, a 2 me square canvas and they can do, you know, they can paint like a, you know, a lion's head and it looks like absolutely stunning and breathtaking. I cannot do that. And so I always kind of thought, oh, okay, I love to paint, but I'm just not very good at it. And so I would dabble occasionally. And then um when I when we had moved back to England, but was still with missions organization, I did an event management school and there was an amazing artist on that school. Um, and she painted, and I think she still does mainly painted with tea and inks. And so it's much more fluid. And so she said, "Let's get together and just do some." And I did. And I was surprised at how much I got out of it. And she was like, "Gosh, you you know, these aren't awful. These are actually quite quite nice, these things that you've produced." And then I I just started falling in love with the fluidity of paint pouring and ink pouring and um and her work is so beautiful and but it's very like subtle and and like more kind of beiges and things with like different teas and things and I like vibrant colors. So then I started looking into how do I how do I do more paint pouring but with um with acrylics and with more color. And so that's sort of how I found out more about what I do now. Um and so I just started Yeah. Yeah. mainly until until about 2018. How old would I have been then? 34 something like that. Um, I until about then I only ever did it occasionally and as a hobby. Once every so often I might do a painting and give it to my parents as a gift or something, but the idea of being an artist as a career was it just didn't even figure, you know. So, yeah,
Maximiliano: it wasn't just.
Rossy: Yeah, it was just a hobby. it wasn't a thing I was going to do for my life even though I loved it. But yeah,
Maximiliano: I got to say this there's a question that I've been wanting to ask you which is um there there is something to say um and I think uh DaVinci says this um that an artist has the dominion of the basics.
Rossy: Okay. Do you think that is always right?
Maximiliano: What do you mean by that?
Rossy: That you should uh learn the basics to then break them up and.
Maximiliano: Um I don't know. I mean in this day and age most people get the basics, you know. I mean I got the basics in of like color theory and trying out things throughout school.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: Um but I think So I suppose that was sort of embedded in me. But actually,
Rossy: Do you reckon creative breaking out of it?
Maximiliano: Well, probably in DaVinci's time, not everyone was taught anything about art. There were probably people that never picked up a pencil that didn't know here are the primary colors and if you mix them, this is what you get and if you do this and this and sort of things. Yeah. So it.
Rossy: Was very strict.
Maximiliano: Yeah. It wasn't available.
Rossy: Yeah. Realism was the predominant.
Maximiliano: Yeah. And I don't Yeah. I don't think it was available to everybody. Whereas now at the very basic level, it's at least, you know, in my British world, it's kind of you do art at school. You know, my kids are doing art at school, so they're learning the basics. Yeah. And then.
Rossy: So yeah. So, it's kind of a difficult question to answer really, but but you definitely learn much more by doing and experimenting and breaking out and not at least me like not being told how to do it and just it took me a little while to allow my brain to just stop thinking about things you've been taught and just see what happens.
Maximiliano: There's this expression in well there's a saying in business which is the thinker doers are the ones who direct life. Basically the people who might think but mostly do those are the ones who actually get there in history and put the name there. Yeah. So yeah, I am with you on that. Specifically on the doing just do do.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: Um so yeah, but there was this pivotal moment uh in your career that I saw in your on your page. Um which uh was rosyhb.art.
Rossy: That's my website.
Maximiliano: Yeah.
Rossy: And my Instagram and my everything. Yeah.
Maximiliano: Yeah. um which was um an incident that happened in 2018.
Rossy: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, how I became an artist was Yeah. my um one of my very absolutely closest, dearest friends um died in a car accident. So, she is absolutely gorgeous. Um she was Scottish. Her name was Shell. She um worked with us. She I met her when she was on staff in Australia when I first joined YWAM. So we'd known her for Yeah. since 2005. Um yeah, she was godmother to our second daughter. She Yeah, we saw her every day. She was absolutely lovely. And we had just finished running a course here in Bristol with her. um and she went home for a holiday and through no fault of her own had a awful fatal car accident. So yeah, and I found talking about it wasn't helping. You know, you sort of sit down with a cup of tea and let's have a talk about it or let's have a prayer about it and things and I just it just wasn't helping. And so one day I just I don't Yeah, it must must have been God. One day I just thought I'm going to grab some canvases and a whole load of paints and go to our office which is now sitting there because we're kind of in hiatus with what we're doing. And um and I just started painting and creating and letting go of any expectations of what anything should look like. And yeah, there was just something kind of strangely, profoundly spiritual about it that touched a deeper part of me that helped me to heal and helped me to come to terms with things through that whole time of grieving and deconstruction and everything. It just Yeah, it really And then from there I was sort of, oh, I'm actually really falling in love with this and I'm really not actually that bad at this, you know. And then um yeah, and so then I started doing sort of the odd art trail or doing the odd painting like more frequently for people and things. Um, but it was alongside our mission's work until 2023 when we officially left the mission. Um, yeah. And then it was a case of you only have one life. Let's let's see if being an artist can become a a thing for me rather than just a hobby. And here we are.
Maximiliano: So that that's a thing that I that I've seen happen a lot. This people well everyone just knows what they like and so on at certain point and they're looking at the abyss and they're saying should I jump? Should I not jump? Should I jump? Should I not jump? What was it for you like to look at the risk of becoming a full-time artist? Looking at all that and just say, you know what, do it.
Rossy: Well, one of the questions that you that you sent me was about that and it made me giggle because I've never had a regular income. So it's like with with us as missionaries, we were um we were supported by friends, families, and churches. So we we lived on like we were I suppose I I don't like the term because it doesn't give a we so technically we were full-time volunteers but it was our career and we took it seriously but in terms of being um being financed it was what YWAM call living on relationship based support. So, Youth with a Mission as a worldwide mission organization doesn't have a pot of money that they pay everyone. So, everyone is um everyone relies like every single person from the founder and the and the like global leaders right down to the person, you know, doing a introduction course for the first time. um you all rely on um yeah on raising your own funds from yeah churches, family, friends. So a lot of people would support you. Yeah. So a lot of people would support you instead of say say a lot of people give to charity you know they would give to the work that we were doing by giving to us to enable us to do the work that we were doing whether it was you know when we were in Australia or here or when we did mission trips to Thailand or wherever. So, um, so yeah. So, it was a it was very stressful and also an incredible privilege and, um,
Maximiliano: I'm sure it was all all bunched together in a weird feeling.
Rossy: It's very much um living in this state of you know having varied income where sometimes I do an art fair and it does really well and other times I do something and it doesn't or you know kind of I'm no it's not not stressful now but I'm you know we're no strangers to it but um my my husband since we've left the mission now has um an amazing job and so really I'm able to do this because he now has a full-time job where he can, you know, mainly support our family so that I can Yeah. so that I can embark on this crazy being an artist career and he's incredibly supportive and wonderful. So, yeah.
Maximiliano: Yeah. No, that's great. That's great.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: It's there's very little to say about how many times people have supported uh this like big artists in particular and all the work behind it from families and friends and so on that have helped. I think congrats to all of them.
Rossy: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Maximiliano: uh to people who have donated when you were uh on the as a missionary so
Rossy: I don't think any artist even if they're like a billionaire I don't think they ever get there on their own there's always an element of support from those around you you know it's not what you know it's who you know you know so you know even in you know whether it's in business or whatever it is you know so no man or person is an island. So
Maximiliano: yeah. No, of course not. Of course not. So um yeah. So I I don't fully get what actually finally made you tip and say, you know what, this is what I'm going to do from now on. Because in you said in 200 2016. Uh, you
Rossy: 18.
Maximiliano: No, but I think uh in 2016 you weren't even thinking about it. You were giving u your art to friends. Doing it every so often
Rossy: to your parents. Yeah. Like as a gift.
Maximiliano: Yeah.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: Two years later, you're saying, you know what? This is what I'm going to do.
Rossy: Uh, no.
Maximiliano: Five years later.
Rossy: Yeah. So basically it's a long it's a long process. So I'd always yeah I'd always liked painting as a hobby. Um in 2018 when Shell died I did it more discovering that it was actually really helpful in my whole he healing process. Um, and from then I started doing it more and then I would do I think it was actually back then that I maybe did an art trail or I kind of
Maximiliano: okay
Rossy: showed my stuff to a few people and they're like, "Oh, I I I like that." And, you know, and um was getting positive feedback but just from, you know, friends and family and things. Um, but I was still in the mission organization.
Maximiliano: Okay.
Rossy: So, I would just do it in my spare time and at weekends and things. Um, while having children. Um, so yeah, so my children are 11, nine, and six. So they were born in 2014, 2016, and 2019.
Maximiliano: Oh my god, how was that then?
Rossy: Yeah. Oh, that's fine. They Yeah, they're great. Yeah, they're just part part of it. but you know like painting while on maternity leave and all of that sort of stuff as well because I you know had had that time and um yeah and then it just sort of gradually there were there were things that happened and obviously you know so lots of stories short died in 2018 and we were a very small team here in Bristol and so we sort of paused because that really hit us very very hard and then we were starting to rebuild and COVID hit and so there were lockdowns and very little that anyone could do. Um and so at that point we had a baby in the house and a three-year-old and a five or six year old and so yeah so that was fun. Um but then we were in the house and so I you know painting and things and do do you know you do whatever when in lockdown everyone knows what that was like. Um, and then we started rebuilding again and we're doing some some great things and having some visiting outreach teams and all that sort of stuff. And then I'm not going to go into it, but some things happened and everything sort of suddenly it was ramping up again and then everything sort of suddenly came to a surprising halt again and the people that were part of our team decided to abruptly leave and all of these things. And so on honestly um you might get some negative comments because I keep talking about God, but don't watch it if you don't want to. Um but yeah, um
Maximiliano: I mean
Rossy: but I who we felt we felt Jesus say um do you want to do this? Do you want to restart the team in Bristol again? And we just said, "Honestly, we don't know if we have it in us." And he said, "That's okay." And so then there were different, it was a case of what do you want to do? And it was sort of a conversation with God. What what is it that you would love to do in your heart? and Kyle, my husband, got really connected with this amazing social enterprise um called the Grace Network that's based in Stroud, but he's now started the Grace Network in in Bristol, which is going really well. And um
Maximiliano: what do they do?
Rossy: They do.
Maximiliano: You don't know what they do, do you?
Rossy: No, I do. I'm just trying trying to think
Maximiliano: You don't know.
Rossy: How do I word it in a way where they won't say that's not what we do? No. Um so the grace network is basically it was started um partly to reach out to a community and fulfill or fill some of the needs of the community um whether it's loneliness or like needs like so okay so the social enterprise in Stroud is
Maximiliano: they heal they help they they help individuals
Rossy: they help the community
Maximiliano: the community
Rossy: so by having these different so social enterprises are basically the heart of a charity but the mind of a business so it's so all the profits go back into the social enterprises that then help the community more so for example in the main one in Stroud is in a place called Brimscombe Mill and it has um it has lots of different social enterprises. It has this amazing thing called the long table which literally has long tables and it's from the idea in um in Isaiah in the Bible of feeding the widows being there for the for no fee hungry being there for the widows or you know basically nobody should eat alone nobody should have to be isolated and lonely and so the long table is a pay as you can restaurant with really great food. Um, so some people come and they literally
Maximiliano: unless you can.
Rossy: Yeah. So some people might come and not be able to afford a meal. That's fine. They get a token and they have their meal. And some people might come and pay double what the meal's worth so that they pay it forward. And it always works out. And there are these two long tables and people sit together, they get to know each other, they build community. It might be that someone is saying, "Ow, my back hurts." And it might be that someone just down the line say, "I'm a physio. I can help you and you know and there are connections and in the community and building that and no one feels left out. No one feels I can't afford it and you can. It's all community. So that's the long table. Um and that's starting in Bristol as well. Um and one of their other main ones which Kyle has mainly started here as well is called Kids Stuff which is um basically everything pre-loved that is kid related you can think of. So from like 0 to 12. So clothes, toys, books, bedding, buggies, like everything. And um because one of the things that you find when you become a parent is everything's so expensive. And when when my oldest was a baby, I I was constantly going to places like Mothercare, which doesn't exist anymore, but um but like these baby shops and spending loads of money on like new baby grows because your babies are always growing. And then you're like, where do I get stuff from? Because charity shops often have like a little rack of children's stuff from 0 to 12 and that's it. And they often won't take donations of your children or baby stuff.
Maximiliano: Why not?
Rossy: Um because they don't tend to put it out on the shop floor. They the charity shops tend to be more for adults. So um so kids stuff people can come and donate any of their baby stuff and then you can come and buy stuff. So it's about sustainability and affordability. They also have um different vouchers that they give out to families who are in need. So they can come and just basically get what they need for free. Um and
Maximiliano: so basically Grace does incredible work.
Rossy: Yes.
Maximiliano: Yes.
Rossy: And your husband works with them.
Maximiliano: He does. So he So Kyle runs the Grace Network or Kids Stuff in Bristol. Um it's it's open I'm going to plug it. It's open Wednesdays 10 Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays 10 till 2 and it's on British Road in Bedminster.
Rossy: Every time you know I got to say every time that we have uh a host sorry a guest every time they just like put an infomercial.
Maximiliano: Yeah. So yeah, let me know. I can give you the website. But yeah, so what what he does is great and so and it's really great for the community because it's also people can come and chat with it. You know, there are some people who say have just moved here and they've got a baby and they're like, "How do I get to know people unless I spend loads of money on a baby class or you know and so they can just come there, have a really cheap cup of tea, get to know people. There's a play area there and it's just Yeah, it's great. It has so many of our baby and kids clothes like whenever and you know our youngest grows out of things and I'm like right kids stuff give it to them and then you know that it's going towards helping the community as well. So the long table is starting there as well.
Rossy: I think my mom my mom would have really appreciated something similar in Chile where I grew up cuz I'm well uh I'm one of four from my mom, one of six from my dad.
Maximiliano: Oh wow.
Rossy: Yes, exactly. A lot of a lot of animals running around the house.
Maximiliano: Yeah. And normally clothe and feed and entertain and yeah
Rossy: and on top of that one dog so it was yeah it was um
Maximiliano: quite catastrophic
Rossy: quiet
Maximiliano: no that for sure that and we're all sociable incredibly sociable and we're all Latin Americans so we all fight good for life and yeah
Rossy: but you wouldn't have it any other way
Maximiliano: no I would oh my goodness every time when I imagine having a family in the future I imagine myself coming incredibly tired to a dinner table where everybody's shouting at each other, throwing food and so on. And I just sit there and I just like say quietly to myself, I love this basically.
Rossy: I hate it right now, but generally I love it.
Maximiliano: Yeah. I mean like but that's that's life. That's family life. And that's I don't know. In my opinion, that's the way it's supposed to be. What? All quiet. Sit down. But no, come on. Fight with each other. throw some I don't know plates to each other. Come on. You know, let's do it.
Rossy: Nice. Nice.
Maximiliano: No. No. By the way, so if any any 18year-old under 17year-old under is watching this, please don't do that with your siblings. Okay. Definitely. I did not do that. Uh no, but well, so um I got lost. Sorry.
Rossy: No, no, no. It It was It was quite interesting though. It's fine. Um
Maximiliano: Yeah. I can't remember what your question actually was.
Rossy: Yeah. It was uh Don't worry about it.
Maximiliano: Oh, and when Well, I think your question was the whole thing of how did I get to this point and so yeah, when we finally left the organization in 2023, I'd already been doing a few art trails and things and then I just felt it's now or never. There isn't anything else that I really want to do. Um, let's try it and see.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: And so it's just, yeah, it's just gone from there and I love it. If I could spend all day every day in my studio, I would. I don't spend near enough time painting, but it's because now I've learned that actually running an art business. It's a lot about the business and about making reels and you know doing the admin and emailing and applying for open calls and different art fairs and you know all sorts of other things and yeah
Rossy: so
Maximiliano: yeah no that that for sure uh as as I told you uh just before this we were we were talking uh and I was writing this uh book towards my sister the business of art. Uh, I thought it was a great great idea. I'm still working on it. I've been working on it for three years now, something like that. It's been awful. Every time I look at it, I'm like, I don't know. I used to write a lot. So, yeah, I'm still working on that piece. Um, and one of the things that I that I write about, uh, and one of the ideas that I'm trying to create is basically what Korean do with K-pop artists.
Rossy: Okay?
Maximiliano: This is going to sound very weird, okay? But it has to do with art. Don't worry.
Rossy: Okay?
Maximiliano: So, basically what they do is they have one fun they pay people to do one function. They don't pay people to do I don't know five or six or seven like we have in the corporate world. So when you're an accountant you
Rossy: that's what you do.
Maximiliano: Yeah. But accounting has many different tasks. What Koreans do and this is what they have groups of nine people.
Rossy: Mhm.
Maximiliano: is they give them one job per person and then they become this like the soul of that job in human interactions. That would be a character.
Rossy: I cannot imagine what that's like being a mom and doing my art business and all the different aspects and being a wife and being yeah everything. I couldn't imagine just having one thing that you do. Yes, I know. It's very it's it's very abnormal, but it looks incredibly natural once in stage because
Maximiliano: Yeah.
Rossy: Well, they perfect it through, I don't know, years of practice, 10 years.
Maximiliano: The culture is as well.
Rossy: Exactly.
Maximiliano: So, um and this is something that I use in in my ventures as well. I pay people to do one single thing. Um sometimes more than one, but I try to keep it as narrow as possible. So, Uh I would strongly recommend you or any artist to uh talk to social media managers for example or bookers uh or anything like that and do it commission based. So I don't know for example if I get if I sell in this gallery so like you book me galleries I'll put the paintings I'll put the everything there only job is to book me galleries into galleries and put let's say I don't know 10 paintings I I don't know what what it looks like and then for every uh piece sold you get a commission. So that person then is incentivized not only to book you as many as possible but also as best quality as possible. So that's how I I would look at
Rossy: interesting.
Maximiliano: Yeah, I'm I'm very business focused. I know. I know. But
Rossy: that's interesting.
Maximiliano: Yeah, that that would be that would be something that I would do. So I'll look into it.
Rossy: Yeah, I know. Of course. Well, anyways, so uh what I want to uh touch now is the development of your style cuz I saw uh a couple of reels that you did from 2018 I think was it or 2020
Maximiliano: 2020 and 2021
Rossy: and the difference between like those are crazy difference in style like I'm not kidding. Well, both of those ones were made with tea.
Maximiliano: With tea?
Rossy: With tea and coffee. Yeah.
Maximiliano: Damn.
Rossy: Yeah. Whereas I branched into acrylics rather than tea and coffee these days.
Maximiliano: Yeah. Tea and coffee. Okay. Yeah. I Okay. So, so tell me about like the where did you start and how has it developed now? And we can go to any painting as well if you like.
Rossy: Um I think I mean I think I established myself a few years ago as like an abstract oceanic artist. That's sort of what I was like that's, you know, I was I think in back in like 2018, 2020, 2021, I was just I was just experimenting. And, you know, I think in a in a strange way though, everything was always um all of my work was inspired by the the something more. There's something more than just what you see every day. There's something more. There's a depth. There's what's Yeah. what's there that's more like one of them is this big square piece called life's complexities and it's got this big kind of this big line in the in the middle and one side is really complex and it's got all these different sort of intertwining lines that are different colors and go everywhere and the other side is quite simple lines all one color and then fade to black and it's the idea of we think life is going to be simpler than it is and we think well I'm going to choose to do this and then I'm going to choose to do this and then it's going to go there and then do this and then I die and actually
Maximiliano: whoever thinks like that good luck with that one
Rossy: well but you do when you're younger you kind of think oh well I'll do this and I'll do this and you know like you know at some point I'll get married and I'll have kids and I'll have a career and it's all you know and actually life is much more complex than that and so life is the the other side where it's more complex but it in that way it brings more depth and more color and more um variety and surprise and trauma and everything and that's the life's complexity. So that's what that one so I was still working through and looking at what life is like and what yeah and kind of exploring identity and all of that sort of stuff in that one. Um, yeah. And so, but the more I painted, um, when I was painting, the more the fluid art, it lends itself very well to the ocean because the ocean is fluid. And, um, yeah, and yeah, surprise. And um and there's something I just the more I painted, the more I got sort of reconnected with my love for the ocean and not just the ocean as let's sit on the beach and watch it, but the the ideas I have about what the ocean is. The the like our life on Earth wouldn't survive without the ocean. The ocean is like the ultimate lifegiver. And there is so much diversity, so much depth, so much color, so much treasure that's still hidden, so much unknown there. There, you know, I mean, billions is constantly spent on like learning more and more about the ocean, yet there is still so much more to learn. You can never sort of get to the end of that. Um, you know, it's it's profound. It's never ending. It's Yeah, it just it's beautiful. It's chaotic. It's surprising. Yet, it all all the ecosystems and everything within within the ocean, they all work together. You know, there are predators and there are prey and there are things that live for five minutes and things that live for hundreds of years. And there's Yeah, the the ocean is just incredible. And it's such a reflection to me of what we're like as people. And so you can't get to the end of who people are. Like when people say what you see is what you get with me, I'm like then there is masses of untapped that you haven't seen because people are deep and profound and changing and diverse and they're never one thing. And um which is why things like cancel culture I think is absurd because we're never one thing and we're never like I might think this but I might think this, I might do this but I might you know like we're complex and we're changing and we're trying to figure things out and we're trying to Yeah. There's there's so much hidden depth within each one of us and so much wonder and mystery and stuff like amazing gold worth pursuing and worth hunting for and sometimes even within ourselves we can be both predator and prey even with ourselves and yeah and then with that it goes along with who God is and God is, you know, we'll never get to the end of knowing a fraction of who the creator of the universe is. And yeah, and he is so full of mystery and wonder and but so faithful and so like full of hope and just as the sun goes down on the horizon of the ocean every day, it comes up. And you know those moments that some of my paintings I try and capture the sort of that moment of sunrise or sunset and just the way the colors of the ocean could Yeah. I just I could talk to talk about it forever and I think the more I painted the more I realized I had this really deep connection with the ocean and it sort of represents everything to me. And so, and the more I painted and actually painting the ocean, it's not it's not even one thing. And some of my paintings are more abstract like this one. And some are more sort of like this one where it's sort of obviously there's the sea, there's the sky, and you know, but there are there are so many Yeah, there are so many different aspects of the ocean that I don't get bored with it. And so I just thought that's what I keep painting. That's what keeps coming out. So, you know, one of the things that um not all artists do this, but one of the things I felt as an artist is that I wanted to have a certain identity as an artist. There are some that do, well, I'll do a sketch of a person and then I'll do a painting of the ocean and then I'll do a screen print and then I'll do, you know, and that's fine. I'm not saying that's wrong at all, but for me, I wanted to be able to have breadth, but also focus on something. And so, actually being abstract, but oceanic as an artist, that gives me that scope of being both. And yeah, and I'm not remotely bored. If nothing else, I have more and more passion for it, as you can tell. So yeah, so I
Maximiliano: I can tell you're very passionate about it.
Rossy: So yeah
Maximiliano: about it. Yes, it's Yeah,
Rossy: there's uh a psychological test supposedly. Okay. So the question is what do you think about the ocean when you look at the ocean and you already described a lot of feelings.
Maximiliano: Yeah.
Rossy: freedom, danger, mystery, wonder, beauty. Yeah. And I remember Yeah. I remember saying this whole thing to this uh psychology student cuz she asked me uh uh we were like on a friend's uh trip and so on. She asked me this and I like just started like ranting.
Maximiliano: Yeah. What do you think about the ocean? The best way to describe it is is is a bit weird. Okay. But
Rossy: that's fine. I'm happy with weird.
Maximiliano: It's a form like something competitive comes out of me when I look at the ocean.
Rossy: Interesting.
Maximiliano: It's like a It's like this exploration gene turns on. I don't know. I don't know what it is, but it's just like this hunger for to know what is beyond all of that.
Rossy: Nice.
Maximiliano: And that's where the name of the
Rossy: uncharted territory.
Maximiliano: Yeah. The uncharted territory. In fact, I have a painting called Uncharted Waters.
Rossy: Yeah. I'll send you a picture.
Maximiliano: Oh, I mean if you do one that's called Beyond the Horizon. I mean I I might put it I might put it Hey, I don't don't mind it, you know. Just just saying.
Rossy: Um but but yeah, no, it's just that I don't know what what it is, but it something comes out where I'm like hungry for life.
Maximiliano: Yeah.
Rossy: And
Maximiliano: there's more than just here right now. There's something beyond the horizon.
Rossy: Exactly. There's there's I mean being here is great, but like in and this is where I I find the inspiration to do the podcast. I feel every guest that comes in, it's like a voyager
Maximiliano: that went to another world.
Rossy: Nice. Yeah. So when I bring uh guests to the podcast, it feels like the the image that comes to mind right now is when voyagers would uh go come and go or the noric or Vikings
Maximiliano: would come and go
Rossy: and then at night they would all come together to hear the stories.
Maximiliano: Mhm. It light lights light up a fire and so on.
Rossy: Candles right there. Just saying.
Maximiliano: No, but it just like gives me that feeling. I I I I just thought about it, so it's not like I thought about the the the candle and so on. It wasn't that deep.
Rossy: No,
Maximiliano: but but like that's the feeling that I get. So that's why I love that's what I love about doing this podcast is is just incredible. and and the ocean as yeah
Rossy: the ocean is one of my biggest like
Maximiliano: um I don't know how to describe it yeah but it's like yeah the one of the biggest concepts that I have in my mind for sure
Rossy: lovely it's really nice
Maximiliano: um and you said something about cancel culture I am going to pick on that
Rossy: that's fine
Maximiliano: uh something that I thought while you were saying it was that Christianity is the opposite of cancel culture
Rossy: should be
Maximiliano: mainly because Christianity believes in pardon
Rossy: forgiveness
Maximiliano: in complete forgiveness if you are willing to actually be forgiving so it's literally the opposite of uh of cancel culture
Rossy: does it make sense or am I crazy
Maximiliano: yeah no it does I don't think anyone should be
Rossy: can
Maximiliano: I think that's stupid. If I'm honest, I think it's really sad that freedom of speech seems to be getting less rather than more nowadays, which is I find very strange and bizarre.
Rossy: What about this? What about people who have been who have had a life where they have made the wrong choices consciously?
Maximiliano: What in terms of decided to be a serial killer or something like that?
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: Well, it's not for me, you I mean, maybe I wouldn't want to, you know, be best friends with them just in case they got murdered, but just in case they got murdered, you know, I'd rather. But, um, but it's not for me to judge those things. And I don't I don't think it helps anyone's
Rossy: Wait, wait a second. You wouldn't judge a serial killer?
Maximiliano: Well, you you would, but it's the thing of um Oh, what was I going to say? Um, it's basically um to me we're all I was going to say something and then you interrupted me and now I can't remember what it was.
Rossy: No, no, that's fine. Sorry. Um, it's the thing of Oh, yes. Like I know that we do this with kids because we have to teach kids right from you know right with the the absolute basics. Um you teach kids how to you know the basics of how to live. But the way to help somebody grow, change, see your point of view has never been like the best way has never been to cancel them, swear at them, tell them that they're wrong and everything that they stand for is wrong and you are an evil person and that's not if that's what someone said to me. It wouldn't make me go, "Oh, please let me know your point of view. I want to learn." Do you know what I mean? And so, you know, I mean, you take like, I don't know, JK Rowling and her her views. I'm like, well, why should her views be such a big thing? Like, okay, so she has views that might be different to other people she, you know, like, and she chooses to make them public. And that's fine. I still watch the Harry Potter films. Like it's not, you know, there are things where
Maximiliano: So you do distinguish the art from the artist.
Rossy: Well, it's not it's none of my business. It doesn't affect me what she thinks. You know, like it's this thing of if someone came to me and said, and I have had atheist people do this, for example, like everything Yeah. Everything you do is stupid. You're wasting your life. you're doing that when people are let's sit down tell me why you believe what you believe tell me this oh interesting I believe the complete opposite I believe this and this and this you can have a really interesting discussion because it's open and everyone's open and there are people who are who I have met who are so closed to thinking anything else and they can get quite aggravated with you for believing something and it's like, well, getting angry with me and telling me that I'm wrong isn't going to help me grow. Do you know what I mean? Like, and so cancel culture doesn't give opportunity for growth. It gives shutdown. I'm right. You're wrong. I will not listen. Whereas, if it was an open dialogue, be like, "Oh, that's interesting that you think that and I think this." Oh, okay. Let's learn from that. it. Why does it have to be? You know, I I would be fascinated to sit down with a serial killer and find out what makes them tick.
Maximiliano: Oh my god.
Rossy: I would be absolutely fascinated.
Maximiliano: I would love to be
Rossy: would let you there, you know, but I just it's but it's and I'm not saying that what they're doing is right.
Maximiliano: Yeah. But
Rossy: no, we can even discover by having these interviews with these serial killers that people do, you know, um you can discover what what made someone that way. So therefore, how do we prevent that from happening again? Or how do we help those people not have that trauma that makes them think that way or what? Like learning for I I life is so much about learning and about understanding that to just stop and say I disagree with you. Therefore, I'm going to refuse to listen to anything in the world that you have to say or that you think or that you ever do because I disagree with you here. Stops growth. And I I just think it's pointless.
Maximiliano: Yeah. Yeah.
Rossy: We can still be people altogether learning and maybe not necessarily liking each other all the time,
Maximiliano: but Yeah, but cutting people off, you know, and that's not what Jesus did. So, and that's what I try and, you know, and I'm not saying it's easy and I'm not saying it's e it's always easy to forgive. And I'm not say, you know, I'm not saying things haven't happened in my life where I've had to really work on forgiving someone. And also, there have been times where I've said it's healthier for me not to be around that person, whatever. But to just sort of I think it's the public cancelling thing, you know, they're making the me the media all about these sort of it's just like just let people think what they want to think, you know.
Maximiliano: Yeah. I mean I I I always think it's very
Rossy: from each other rather than
Maximiliano: Yeah. I think it's always very good to understand that whoever did whatever they did, they're human.
Rossy: Yeah. And
Maximiliano: if they're all perfect, would you one of them and he's
Rossy: we do? Yeah, exactly.
Maximiliano: That's that's that's the key phrase.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: They are human and you're one of them.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: So Hitler, you better learn what he did to not repeat that.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: You better learn that. That's that's that's that's my that's my view. That's why it's so important to read or at least hear about Mein Kampf
Rossy: Gosh.
Maximiliano: or this book called Ordinary Men about normal police officers who became concentration camp guards. And you see like the step by step by step by step process. I feel that is like the the type of knowledge that you should acquire to not become whatever you don't want to become. So to avoid all those type of situations and so on.
Rossy: Yeah. I mean how can how can we grow if we don't learn from others mistakes as well is how can Yeah. And how can I grow if everything that I disagree with I refuse to ever listen to?
Maximiliano: Yeah. To interact with.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: Yeah. because it's well um this is concept in philosophy. It's uh whoever whoever's watching this will understand it but it's this basically you make ideas clash and the clashing of ideas gives a spark towards a
Rossy: yes
Maximiliano: further idea
Rossy: that's why was a eternal inquirer and I think I'm not entirely sure but most of Jesus 's teachings are phrases questions
Maximiliano: which I found
Rossy: stories. Yeah.
Maximiliano: Questions or stories. So I found so great
Rossy: because then I thought okay now I understand why Plato was so important in philosophy
Maximiliano: because he made questions and now the other people who are very important in philosophy are people who make stories. Jung. So you got this two contrasts of people who do both things that Jesus did and then well
Rossy: of course you get the a great result
Maximiliano: in my opinion.
Rossy: Um anyway
Maximiliano: Um anyway, so gone off topic but yeah
Rossy: yeah yeah and I'm so sorry it's just all this questions so so good so good. Yeah. But yeah, going back to to the topic of uh being an artist, um I actually actually would like to know what were the inspirations towards uh all these paintings if possible.
Maximiliano: These ones?
Rossy: Yeah. I mean, let's Yeah.
Maximiliano: Do you want me to tell you some some of them?
Rossy: Yeah, just Yeah. Yeah.
Maximiliano: Okay. This one is called Overflow.
Rossy: Mhm.
Maximiliano: Um, and it's it's about um that there is more, that there's an overflow, that there's like the rushing rivers and the, you know, the white water and the crashing waves, that there's there's more than meets the eye. There's things that there's that love bubbles up and overflows. that ideas can bubble up and overflow. That um any emotion can bubble up and over and overflow. And the ocean, it bubbles up, it overflows. And it there's like this these waves and these trends that it's not that life isn't always calm. But that doesn't mean that the overflow isn't beautiful and sometimes needed. And within the overflow of of life, you can also get these this gold and this real precious time. And so even at times when I feel overwhelmed and there are too many things going on and there's just an overflow actually, what is there in there for me to learn or grasp hold of? What is the gold within those moments? So that's that's that one. Um, the one behind you is called I don't want to live without you. And um, and it's it's basically about God. And I and I made that at the beginning of the year. And um and it was about just this this overwhelming love and this I find it I apologize if this is offensive to anyone watching, but I find it really sad that there are some people that feel all that there is of this world is what you see and then you die. And I just think there is so much depth in knowing God and knowing that there is more to life and space and eternity and everything than I could ever know. And it was just I don't want to live without you. I I like I don't want to live my life just in isolation and just as a person. I want to live it connected to God. And that is chaos, but that's also beauty and depth and yeah, that kind of that relationship of what's to come. And yeah, so that's called I don't want to live without you.
Rossy: Yeah,
Maximiliano: I see there's a lot of emotion there for sure.
Rossy: Strong strong emotion.
Maximiliano: Well, that I look at that and I find quite I feel quite joyful looking at that. I really love that kind of Yeah, that's what that makes me feel. So, yeah. And then Yeah. And then Yeah. This one is called The Promise of a Beautiful Day. And it's just it's about hope and have a look. And it's yeah it's about hope being on the horizon and that there are promises that are there and they will always be there and as I said earlier you know the night always comes but the day you know the sun never doesn't rise it will always be there at least in our lifetime maybe in thousands of years it won't but you know and yeah just that there's a promise of that that hope of it's going to be a beautiful day. And I think if I wake up in the mindset of it's going to be a beautiful day, then my whole day is different from if I wake up in a negative negative mindset. And so that just yeah, that's what that just brings to me. It's almost like the sunrise over the horizon, the promise of a beautiful day. And this is one's called dreams fulfilled. Um partly because it's um loosely based on um one
Rossy: sorry what was it called again?
Maximiliano: Dreams fulfilled.
Rossy: Dreams.
Maximiliano: And so um it's loosely based on a one of the first paintings I ever or oceanic paintings I ever sold which is to my parents and it's actually their their favorite one of mine that
Rossy: you stole this painting to bring it to the podcast. No, not this one. This is based on that one.
Maximiliano: Oh. Oh, okay.
Rossy: So, yeah. So, no, they they they still have it in their house, but um
Maximiliano: I was like, "Wait, what?"
Rossy: Yeah. And it's just the thing of when I when I sold that to them, I was sort of at the start of selling things. I was at the sort of start of I wonder if this art's going to turn into anything. Maybe it will just have to be a hobby. Maybe I'll just sell a few, you know. And then years on, I've sold things in different galleries and art fairs. My, you know, my art is, I do actually have an art business and this is what I dreamed of. And so I painted this like thinking of the memory of where I was, where I was at when I painted the one that they have. And so it's sort of owed to that one of like where I am now. It's like gosh, look at the amount of dreams that have been fulfilled in those few years.
Rossy: This this um poem that's well has been going around through Instagram reels and so on.
Maximiliano: Uh that is like what a blessing it is to be tired of the work that you once begged.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: What a blessing. What a blessing.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: It's chaotic. I'm sure. Uh to be an artist.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: But what a beautiful what a blessing to be an artist and be able to do this. Absolutely.
Rossy: Yes.
Maximiliano: Absolutely.
Rossy: I feel that's a that's a great promise.
Maximiliano: Yeah. It's always important to see how far you've come. Even if you're not exactly where you want to be, it's always amazing to look at the journey that you've been on and how far you've come from where you were. Yeah,
Rossy: I find it I I find it so fascinating.
Maximiliano: Uh to do I don't know why people like live very timidly, I'll call it.
Rossy: They just like go on and they like things, but they're not passionate about it. So like they they won't act on it and they they live very like timidly through life. Is that just a British thing or would you say that happened in that happens in
Maximiliano: I think every country that I've been to
Rossy: and I've been to quite quite a few uh I've met many people because I used to hitchhike. I
Maximiliano: fun.
Rossy: Yeah, I've hitchhiked since I'm very little.
Maximiliano: Um and I remember just like talking to all these people because you meet at least five new people per day when you're hitchhiking. But as in meet, as in having an hour long conversation with them.
Rossy: So it's not like, you know, Yeah. No, no, no. It's deep conversation and they tell you like crazy stuff as well. uh especially in the last few minutes.
Maximiliano: But yeah, you're hitchhiking and I meet all these people and they're all live so timidly, so like un very apologetically, very passively. And I'm a strong believer that well that that God told Adam and Eve to subdue the earth. And subduing the earth doesn't mean living timidly is going out there and grab life and
Rossy: living life to the full.
Maximiliano: Exactly. uh take a bite of life basically that's how I describe it
Rossy: and I don't know I feel I feel you have done it for sure
Maximiliano: I don't know I think it depends on what day it is
Rossy: you know and what subject we're talking about but yeah I yeah I just yeah you have to make your own
Maximiliano: way in the world
Rossy: but what I see like just hearing about your life is just you you have gone for No, no matter the situation, you have gone for it.
Maximiliano: So you wanted to be part of this and create this uh group of missionaries in Bristol and you did it. Then you wanted to go to Australia and you did it. So So then you came back had this incredible tragedy happen to you and you overcame it. Then you wanted to become an artist and now you are one. So I see you like overcoming barrier after barrier after barrier
Rossy: with no
Maximiliano: don't say with no hesitation. There's lot been lots of hesitation. I'm not I'm not saying no no no hesitation then but there's there might be fear
Rossy: but with courage and that's something that I feel there's nowhere like it's incredibly difficult to to find somebody who's passionate and I know Christians don't like this and so on but it's grabbing life by the balls. Yeah. No, it is.
Maximiliano: No, that's fine. That's fine. Well, it's that thing
Rossy: going at it, you know,
Maximiliano: of faith and fear are both things that you cannot see, but you choose to follow one of them. So, do and faith can be sort of, you know, faith in yourself and blah. It doesn't have to be faith in Jesus, but just, you know, it's and it's like I let fear in too too much as well. I'm sure I do, but Yeah. I mean, to me, you only have one life, and I I'd rather look back and go probably shouldn't have done that, which I do a lot. Um, or rather do that than go, I wish I had tried that. I wish I had gone that I wish I had done, you know, like I I want, you know, and I want to teach my kids like life is an adventure. It's an incredible gift. Let's grab hold of it. Let's do like Yeah, you only have one life.
Rossy: So, and it's much more fleeting like I'm, you know, I'm amazed that I'm 41 and that my oldest child's about to turn 12 and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, where did life go?" You know, and I've still got, you know, hopefully over half my life left to go. But
Maximiliano: You got 60 years more.
Rossy: Yeah. and I've done so much in my life and I and I feel like I've sort of barely begun with some things and I'm like well let's continue the adventure and
Maximiliano: you know and I I think it helps having lived in like three different countries that it sort of
Rossy: you've your brain
Maximiliano: perspective is like it's a whole there's a whole world out there and I've you know and the more you see the more you like the older you get the more you realize you don't know. Yeah, like one one of my friends used to have um a little poster on her wall when we were um in high school that said teenagers quickly do everything now while you still know everything. And it is that thing of when you're young, you think you know everything. And the older you get, you realize how much you don't know. And that's like the more you experience of life, the more you realize, gosh, I've seen this much. And then you see more and you think, gosh, I've seen this much, you know, and just kind of like I think I worked out the other day I've been to 27 different countries, but I'm like, but I haven't been to South America yet. That's next on my list. I know. I know.
Rossy: Yeah, you should see the coast of Chile just
Maximiliano: Yes. I I would love to. Absolutely love to one day. Definitely. And you know, and just Yeah. just if you let fear grab hold of you too much then what will you have to show for your life you know and it's partly a thing not in a heavy way to me it's partly a thing of Jesus gave me this life I don't want to like sit down in heaven with a cup of tea with him and he'd be like what do you do with your life well I was too scared to do that so I didn't I was too scared to do that so I didn't I was too you know I want to be like I did this I did this and I did this awesome I mean not that he wouldn't know but you It just Yeah. It just life is an adventure.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: You know, and so yeah,
Rossy: I I would say I would say on the same direction, but on the opposite way, I don't know why people aren't fearful of that
Maximiliano: of being sat with a cup of tea with your creator.
Rossy: That's cuz lots of people don't believe in the creator. But yeah,
Maximiliano: well, let's say like, okay, you're on your deathbed.
Rossy: People who you love are surrounding you and you think back and you're like, I didn't do this, I didn't do that.
Maximiliano: Could have, should have, would have.
Rossy: And I don't know how that doesn't make make you anxious.
Maximiliano: Yeah. I mean, some people don't have the opportunities as as as well, you know, like now we're not in our missions organization. My daughter actually said to me the other day, we never we never fly anywhere anymore. And I'm like, I know that's because we're not in missions, so we don't go on mission trips as much anymore, you know? So, I said to her, we need we need still need to do that. But yeah, but it is it's that thing of
Rossy: teach your children that life is for living as well and not just the drudgery of everyday life but actually
Maximiliano: the adventure of life.
Rossy: There is beauty to everyday life though.
Maximiliano: Oh, absolutely.
Rossy: Uh I've tried actually recently I'm I've been trying to meditate. I'm awful at it. But
Maximiliano: too many things going on in your brain all the time.
Rossy: Yeah. I I mean like everyone who who first starts is just awful at it. I'm just very patient with myself. So I'll just keep doing it. Uh but um yeah, so this is the the thing like lately I've been being happy because I'm breathing. This is something incredibly weird but
Maximiliano: No, it's being knowing that you're blessed to be alive.
Rossy: Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I I do find that I try I'm trying to find the balance on on both because I do feel like life is very dull.
Maximiliano: Well, that's that's that thing of um life is what happens when you're busy making other plans.
Rossy: So, you need so you need to enjoy life as well as plan for the adventures.
Maximiliano: Damn. Okay, that hit me hard. I'll have to like rewatch that.
Rossy: Well, Joe, please clip that. Yeah, I know.
Maximiliano: Yeah. Like Yeah. Like playing games with my crazy six-year-old son is just, you know, when he comes home from school is just as important as going on a big adventure that changes your life, you know.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: That with it what that within itself is an adventure.
Rossy: Indeed. Absolutely.
Maximiliano: Um so what do you reckon? Um, so you've been um exhibited all around the UK.
Rossy: Almost all around.
Maximiliano: Well, different parts of the UK. Yeah,
Rossy: different parts of the UK then.
Maximiliano: So yeah, I haven't I haven't gone much
Rossy: north
Maximiliano: past. Yeah, I'd like to go north. I'd like to go to
Rossy: We don't like the northerners anyway.
Maximiliano: We do. They're nice. Some of my favorite people are Scottish and
Rossy: Yeah, me too. Me, too. I actually love them. I actually love them. Uh, except they're Welsh.
Maximiliano: No, no, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Rossy: Welsh are nice, too.
Maximiliano: No, no, I'm kidding. There's my boss uh is Welsh, so no.
Rossy: Uh, no, but it's uh Okay. Anyways, so uh you've been
Maximiliano: Yes, I've exhibited around different parts of the UK,
Rossy: around the UK
Maximiliano: um and even abroad. So in the US uh and so on. No. Yes. No.
Rossy: No. I've sold things to people over there, but I haven't exhibited.
Maximiliano: My bad then. Okay.
Rossy: I'd love to. Well, I'd love to exhibit over there and I have been invited to, but I have three children and my husband has a full-time job and to then it will be a lot of money to then take a whole load of paintings and go and fly over to America and exhibit them. I'm not at that stage in my life where I can do that at the moment.
Maximiliano: Okay. No,
Rossy: one day.
Maximiliano: One day
Rossy: or day one.
Maximiliano: No. Well, so third time asking a question then.
Rossy: Okay. Yes. Yes. What do you actually want to know? Yeah.
Maximiliano: So, uh you've been exhibited uh around the UK and you've sold paintings across the world basically. Um, how do you find the trust to go towards your calling and what do you reckon are your next steps? So for the people who are artists and they wanting to become that, how do they trust that that's their calling?
Rossy: I think you just have to try, you know, you just have to see, push on open, push on doors and if they open, walk through them, grab hold of different opportunities. Um, for me, I pray and see if it feels right. Um, but I also just sometimes you just know that things are right and sometimes you know that things are wrong. I think one of the main things is just believing in yourself and I I think it's the thing of taking the first step you know and so not doing it as I said I think right at the beginning of of this podcast like not doing things on your own is a big thing and I think finding people to help you and to be really honest with you and not just surrounding yourself with people who are yes people and Yes, that's amazing. But actually being honest with you, um
Maximiliano: I love that. I love I love the people who
Rossy: on honest. Yeah, absolutely.
Maximiliano: Not honest. Even worse, like hopefully terrible with me. Yeah. Like
Rossy: you like that.
Maximiliano: The more critical the better.
Rossy: Yeah. Cuz if I can switch somebody who doesn't like the podcast, for example, to somebody who does, I'm like, I'm into something, you know?
Maximiliano: It's all potential.
Rossy: It's Yeah. Well,
Maximiliano: but um
Rossy: but I'm don't worry.
Maximiliano: Yeah, but I think you just have to try try it out, you know. It's I I think with everything and I'm talking to myself as well in this is don't be afraid to fail. I think is a big thing of doing anything and getting started. And you know, I mean, there are even people who are like, I don't want to get married because what if um my marriage fails? And I'm like, well, what if your marriage doesn't fail? you know, like like you know, I couldn't be an artist. What if I not any good at it and I don't get my art out there? Okay, but what if
Rossy: you are and what if you discover it's absolutely what you want to do and what you're meant to be doing. Like you don't know until you try. Um, yeah. And I think I think your your other to answer to your other bit of your question, I my next steps are just to keep going. I've got I'm in um a great art fair in March in a place called Sandown Park in London um called Art Surrey which um I'm really excited about.
Maximiliano: See you there.
Rossy: See you there.
Maximiliano: Um uh if you want free tickets, let me know.
Rossy: Um yeah, and um and I'm really excited about that. And I've got various different exhibitions and art fairs and I, you know, I would love to get my I have a whole collection of much bigger pieces and I would love to get them out there more. I'd love to be signed on with different galleries who then take them to like there are art fairs that only galleries take work to, you know, so you're a whole gallery has to sign up and, you know, take take artists work that they're represented by. I'd love to be represented by one of those galleries and get my bigger pieces out there. Um, but yeah, but also I love doing art fairs myself. I love chatting with people and meeting with people. And you know, as you've learned this morning, I'm not shy. I'm happy to talk to people about my process and my inspiration. And I love connecting with people and then seeing when they connect with one of my pieces and somehow it speaks to them and then them taking it home and knowing that my something that I made in my little spare room studio is something that is bringing joy and uplift to people in their homes. Like that's, you know, I I want to be someone who at the end of my life people say I brought something positive and show them more about how loved they are and how incredible they are. That would be my ultimate. That's what I want to be remembered for and I feel like I can show that to people through my art. And so that's what I want to keep doing. So, I also do um I often do the there's a an amazing art fair in Bath called Bath Contemporary Artist Fair. That's the second Sunday of every month and that starts in April. So, I'll be doing I'll be there in April. I'll be doing a few of of those throughout the year as well. and they're they're great because they you know I yeah I love connecting with people and yeah so I think that's kind of where I'm going really is just more of the same and more painting and more I think I can have really specific plans but then so many surprises come up you know in January you always think what will the year entail and what will it look like and then by the end you think wow didn't expect that didn't expect that didn't expect that you know, and so we'll we'll see. I'm open to um
Maximiliano: yeah, seeing what this year brings me.
Rossy: Fair enough.
Maximiliano: But yeah, but yeah, the next main thing is the art fair in March.
Rossy: Yeah,
Maximiliano: Yeah, Rosie.
Rossy: Rosie,
Maximiliano: cut that. Okay, Rosie.
Rossy: Yes. I'm so sorry.
Maximiliano: It's all right.
Rossy: I'm so bad.
Maximiliano: You probably get it so so much as well.
Rossy: Yeah.
Maximiliano: Is your full name Maxmillian?
Rossy: Maximilliano.
Maximiliano: Wow. Lovely.
Rossy: You do an O, for example.
Maximiliano: No. No, that's not like that. It's Maxilliano.
Rossy: Maximilliano.
Maximiliano: Yeah. Hey, you got it. You actually got it. Okay, fair enough.
Rossy: Rossy.
Maximiliano: Yes.
Rossy: Oh, yes. Let's go.
Maximiliano: Thank you very much for being on the podcast.
Rossy: Thank you for having me. It's been great.
Maximiliano: Yeah. No, it's uh it's been a wonderful interview. I really enjoyed it.
Rossy: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, me too. Um, so guys, for everybody uh who loved the pieces that has been have been shown in the podcast or would like to know anything more about uh her art, please visit uh rosyhb.art.
Maximiliano: Yep.
Rossy: Roie ehb.art
Maximiliano: in any platform.
Rossy: Yeah, pretty much. So,
Maximiliano: not YouTube,
Rossy: not YouTube, not yet.
Maximiliano: Or Twitter or X or whatever it's called. But yeah, Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok website.
Rossy: Let's go.
Maximiliano: LinkedIn as well. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. We're not on LinkedIn though. Not yet. Um, so yeah, uh, if you're interested, please, uh, go and, uh, see and discover, uh, her new art. she is making art pieces uh continuously. So, thank you very much for uh listening once again uh and see you on the next podcast.
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