Miles Warner: Full Podcast Transcript

Host: Maximiliano Fabres

Guest: Miles Warner

Location: Bristol, UK

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81l09r9bzho&t=147s Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7MGkQtzy4BE2NnLh1KX172?si=d851cad516b24501

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Miles: more passionate. They're very skilled. You know, some people say uh the whole jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none. I don't think that's true. I think there are people that can do a lot of things to a high level, but the issue is it's sometimes picking something. When you got so many options, it makes it difficult to even get started. I was one client in particular, we shared a a liking for music, DJing in particular. We started working together. This is great. I've made more progress in this one month than I have than I have before. So

Maximiliano: Oh my good Oh my goodness. You're like a therapist.

Maximiliano: Hello guys. Welcome back to Beyond the Horizon podcast, the podcast where you expand your horizons of knowledge. Today with me, Miles Warner, the content creator for multi-talented, multi-passionate people in looking to expand on their looking to execute on their ideas. Looking to execute on their ideas. Okay, we got there in the end, finally.

Maximiliano: So, Miles.

Miles: Yes.

Maximiliano: Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Miles: So, yeah. I'm a content creator coach. Uh realized that I wanted to execute the a lot of the ideas in my head, and I realized a lot of people that are multi-talented and multi-passionate have a problem actually doing so simply because we get attached to this idea of being able to do all these things and being unable to hone in even on one even just temporarily. And as a result, you don't execute much. So, when I realized how to do that and how I when I found a process for doing that, I thought, "Okay, I need to help other people do the same." And that's how Hardly Perfect came into play.

Maximiliano: So, yeah, your channel is called Hardly Perfect.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: How did it actually came to be?

Miles: So, Hardly Perfect actually came from a song lyric I had um that I wrote. And essentially, the phrase I really took to the phrase. I really thought it was a cool phrase. It's essentially another way of saying uh it's not ideal, essentially. But once I had the idea for that phrase

Maximiliano: It's not ideal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Miles: Once I had the Yeah. Once I had the um the idea for that uh the phrase was kind of like ingrained in my in my my brain.

Maximiliano: Okay.

Miles: And then later down the line, I got the idea to help multi-talented people, you know, go from overthinking to execution. And one aspect of that, one thing they suffer with, is perfectionism. And I was like it's literally the perfect name for that thing. So, I was like, "Hardly Perfect."

Maximiliano: Hardly Perfect. It is. It is pretty pretty like it's a it's a cool name, right?

Miles: Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that.

Maximiliano: I got to say, you you did think hard on that one.

Miles: Yeah, yeah. Thanks so much. Sorry, before I forget like I mostly always do, could you light up the candle?

Maximiliano: Yes, I will.

Miles: Yes.

Maximiliano: Light it up.

Miles: Light it up. Jeez.

Maximiliano: Candle is

Miles: Candle lit.

Maximiliano: up. I got to say, I I do have quite an issue, especially on mentors. Mainly because most of the mentors that go around over the internet are just pure talk. Why are you different?

Miles: I'm different uh I would say because I have a strong passion for helping people overcome the issue I had. That might sound a bit cliché. I don't know if it does or not. But I went through a process of for many years being stuck in a loop. And I didn't realize I was stuck in a loop of overthinking, perfectionism. I was cloudy. I think I mentioned this to you before about the whole sobriety thing, you know, that helped me actually see some of the things I was over overlooking before. When I actually moved past uh a place of overthinking and actually had a process to execute on my ideas. I was like I can't let people get stuck like for years like I was. So, it became a desire where it's a point of okay, people need to actually get this stuff out to the world cuz a lot of people that are multi-talented, multi-passionate, they're very skilled. You know, some people say uh the whole jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none. I don't think that's true. I think there are people that can do a lot of things to a high level, but the issue is it's sometimes picking something. When you got so many options, it makes it difficult to even get started. And I just have this passion that I want people to move from a place of thinking about these ideas that are brilliant and actually getting them into the world cuz that's the only way we can elicit change.

Maximiliano: Elicit change. You're a proper marketing guy. I see. So, yeah, tell us a little bit about your background. I think that's uh that'll be cool for the audience to know. Yeah, um so

Miles: projects did you work on? I've done marketing for 11 years. Well, with some cool companies, and I think I Well, not I think, I pivoted into email marketing because I like the style of copy copywriting. And I helped people build their email marketing infrastructures, helped them build their email lists. These kind of things that were cool to do, but I also ended up realizing that I was building other people's things and not my own. It took me a long time to realize that. And because I'd been building their stuff for so long, I hadn't built my own. When things went left, I would say, it meant I didn't have a safety net per se or I didn't have something to fall back on. If I'd have built my own thing, I would have. That is the curse of someone I lots of ideas. Aside from the stuff I was doing in the times, I wasn't executing on very many of my own. And that can be the problem. I always say like we just end up keeping them in your head, going in circles trying to perfect them before putting them out.

Maximiliano: Okay. I got to say, my viewers know me. I've never been a person who had any problems executing. Actually, the the way the podcast came to be was in a period of 3 days.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: I met my producer in a pub. I asked him, "What do you do?" And he said, "I studied film, television, and digital production." Amazing. 3 days later, we recording the first episode.

Miles: Yeah. Yeah.

Maximiliano: That's That's amazing. Yeah, yeah. So, to for for people like me, can you walk me through the process of what a person who's a perfectionist, an overthinker would go through?

Miles: Yes, so you know, they might have a a fantastic idea. Their first inclination is just to They'll just keep elaborating on it, essentially. So, for example, you're a perfectionist, you might be like, "Okay, I've got an idea for a podcast." Rather than say, "Make this person they do they have a skill set that could benefit me or you know, could help me." You'd be like, "Okay, cool. This idea needs to be perfect before it goes out. I'm going to sit at home. I'm going to brainstorm all these ideas. Okay, this idea could could be cool. Maybe I'll do a different idea first. Actually, I want the right equipment. I want this and that. I want, you know, okay." You just start thinking of ways just to make sure it's perfect, but there's no such thing as perfection. Cuz it's literally just fear. It's uh it's a fear of either how you'll be judged of how your output will be judged or fear of moving to becoming a new person that actually does the things you want to do. So, you just find ways of avoiding action. And it might seem illogical to you, but you know, certain people, especially like, you know, the ones I help, have so many talents and passions. Ideas almost become their lifeblood. And they have an aversion almost to making that idea happen. It's like they're attached to the idea of the idea rather than executing it. Do you know what I mean?

Maximiliano: Yeah, yeah.

Miles: Like holding onto an idea rather than letting it free means the other poss- the other possibilities can still exist.

Maximiliano: So, the the way I picture this might be weird, but I think it's pretty cool actually to imagine it like this. When you say like, "Oh, I start overthinking. I start thinking of this and this and this." It feels like I am getting smaller and smaller and smaller, and the world is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. While the way I think, it makes me go bigger every time I take action, which is

Miles: Yeah, yeah. I like that. I like that.

Maximiliano: very weird, but it's

Miles: It's a cool way to put it. I like that. At least that's what I pictured when you said it. I said it.

Maximiliano: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Miles: Does it feel about right?

Maximiliano: I've never thought of it in that way, but I can kind of see how that might work, you know, I guess. When you put things into the world, you imprint on the world, and you put your not need, but you put your um will into the world. Yeah. And you can make your mark. So, I guess the more ideas are out there, the more you're conquering it in a in a in a funny way. And I guess that would It's almost like the world seems smaller cuz you've metaphorically conquered more of it, I guess. So, that I guess that's the way I can understand your metaphor. I guess that's how I would understand it. That's how I understand it. I would say.

Miles: Yeah, okay, cool. Guess I'm on the right lines, then. And as Jordan Peterson said it, you speak your being forward. You put yourself out there, and you you make a mark. Yeah, okay, yeah. Your idea of conquering

Maximiliano: the world by doing. You're basically the guy that people should talk to.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Especially the perfectionist, multi-skilled, multi-talented. In what areas are you multi-talented and multi-skilled?

Miles: I'm obviously a marketer,

Maximiliano: Mhm.

Miles: copywriter, musician, too, a poet. I've done some art before as well, a spiritual person. I'm a holistic, I guess. I love nutrition. I love fitness. There are a few other pies I've got my fingers in, I guess. Lots of different things where I've got ideas for as an owner. And a lot of them went unheard because of the whole, you know, being stuck in my mind. But now it's trying to execute them and put them into the world and make them Let my my babies go free, essentially.

Maximiliano: That's uh that's very interesting. I think I am not that multi-skilled, so I would say you're multi-skilled. I mean, like you you've told me about your day, you did this, you did that. I wouldn't say so. I would say I'm very good at organizing people and reading people. And with those two, that is basically what I do. Nothing. I tried to like get rid of everything else because I'm not that great at it anyway, so

Miles: Yeah, delegate stuff.

Maximiliano: I delegate most of the work that I have.

Miles: I like that, mate, cuz I think you can get weighed down by things you aren't brilliant at. And you lack speed, you lack knowledge about it. When if you give it to someone who knows what they're doing, it's like, "Okay, cool." Again, I talk about with perfectionists removing friction. So, that is a form of removing friction, I guess. Like if you're trying to do something and you're not great at it, but someone else, you know, could do it, then that's the best way That's one of the best ways you can.

Maximiliano: Oh my god. Did you get it from Alex Hormozi?

Miles: No. No.

Maximiliano: No. What What did he What did he say?

Miles: Removing friction.

Maximiliano: Okay, removing friction.

Miles: So, it's basically in the sales process, he's a specialist in sales. In the sales process, there's so-called friction. Anything that comes between the situation and the sale is friction, basically. And your job as a salesman is to remove everything.

Maximiliano: Yeah, yeah.

Miles: So, it flows. Remove steps.

Maximiliano: Um

Miles: from from marketing, I'm very familiar with removing steps, you know, you know like

Maximiliano: yeah.

Miles: So, may maybe subconsciously some aspect of sales has leaked in and gave me that principle.

Maximiliano: Yeah. But, what what what's this concept about removing friction then?

Miles: So, removing friction is removing Well, it could be it can be additive or subtractive, but basically making the your path to your goal easier, essentially. So, maybe remove steps that are unnecessary. Maybe you can create a a system or process that helps you go from naught to 100. So, often times, more eternally people, they're trying to use willpower to get to their goal. But, constraints, being like, "Okay, cool. I'm going to work at this time every day for this amount of time." That's removing decisions. When you have to make decisions, decisions are friction. With me, back before I turned the corner myself, I was trying to make decisions during work. I'd I'd go into like thought loops and rabbit holes when I was should be doing the task. But, when I started to plan things out and say, "Okay, cool. I'll plan something on a Sunday and then in the week I'm I'm doing the action." Almost like a pub manager, you know, pub manager, they they have their duties.

Maximiliano: Um

Miles: they might plan out who does what. I was the pub manager on the weekend, but then in the week I'm pulling the pints. I've set out all my tasks, basically. When you have a system like that, a process, in the week, I'm not having to think about anything I need to do. I just know I have to do it. It's already written down. It's mapped out. Do you know what I mean? There's no friction. There's no There's no I don't get to a point in the week and I'm like, "Oh, what specifically do I need to do now? And how long do I need to do it for? And what do I need to do it?" It's already decided for me. So, when it gets to it, I can just do it.

Maximiliano: I I remember this thing that I came up with a couple years ago with my schedule. I became obsessed with a schedule. Basically, I said to myself, "I'll present myself to the task. Nothing else. I'll plan one day and present myself to a task." So, I presented myself to study and then presented myself to work and then presented myself to the business that I was doing at the time. And presenting myself to the gym. I'll just present myself and then the rest I'll do. But, the presenting bit is the is the actual action. And that I think removed a lot of decision-making, as he said.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Because it was already laid out, basically.

Miles: Yeah. I think some people may think, "Okay, well, you're adding stuff to these tasks." But, it's like when you plan ahead of it, it makes the tasks themselves way easier. Okay. For example, if I don't know what the tools I need to do a certain task, when I get to the task, it's like you're scrambling about trying to find it. Or the other thing where I like time constraints, you know, Parkinson's law dictates that we fill the time we need to do a task. If we give ourselves all day to do a task, we'll take all day. If we give ourselves 90 minutes, we'll take 90 minutes. Obviously, you can't expect to do a huge task in like 2 minutes. You give yourself a reasonable amount of time to do something, but the the whole idea is that a time constraint, a time box, helps you get stuff done you don't have all day to do it. And it's it's really surprising how much you can do when you give yourself a time constraint. Like, sometimes I like to set myself a task before I know I've got to leave the house. So, I'm like, "Okay, well, I'm going to leave in like an hour. So, let me give myself an hour." Because then it's a hard stop. You can't go over that cuz you've got to leave the house. You've got You've got stuff to do. So, those kind of things are cool little hacks you can use to execute.

Maximiliano: Well, there's a thing that I actually used a couple times, which is an alarm every 15 minutes.

Miles: Mm.

Maximiliano: Again, I took it from Alex Hormozi.

Miles: Okay, yeah.

Maximiliano: What a great day. I think it was the day where I did the most amount of stuff because I was so aware of how long everything took. So, it was like, "Okay, 15 minutes." And then alarm again, boom.

Miles: Yeah, and you're just like smashing through it. Yeah, it's

Maximiliano: heard of the Pomodoro?

Miles: I've heard of it. I don't remember I know it's a study technique.

Maximiliano: Yeah, so it's essentially um a timer. So, I think Pomodoro, I might be wrong, but I think Pomodoro is like Italian for tomato or something. So, they use a tomato timers. And the whole Pomodoro timer thing is is you work in bursts of 25 minutes. You have a 5-minute break. And that is a cool way people use. So, what I'll do, they'll have four 25-minute blocks and they'll have 5 minutes in between. Then after once they've done those four blocks, they might have like a longer half an hour break. So, it's kind of like putting you in that time constraint, then you take a break, then you go back into like a period of focused work. And that's something I kind of adapted. Like, I I think minutes is a bit short for me. So, I'll take 45, then I'll do 10, then I'll do another No, I'll take 40, sorry, then I'll do 10, then I'll do another 40. And that creates a 90-minute block.

Miles: Okay. Yeah. I see.

Maximiliano: And what do you do on a day-to-day basis then?

Miles: A lot of my stuff at the moment is I'm I'm doing a client outreach. I've also been, you know, helping people with their whole perfectionist streaks as well. So, I've been talking to a few people recently um who've been trying to understand themselves better and work out, you know, what are the levers they need to pull in order to move forward with certain things. And for the students that are out there

Maximiliano: Sorry, not students. The viewers out there. I do think my viewers are students. They like to dig in deep into topics.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: For all the viewers out there that may be wanting to look and see what what you got to offer, who's your client? Who's like the type of person that you would coach?

Miles: The kind of person I would coach is someone with many skill sets {slash} passions move forward and actually take some of the things that they have in their head and put them into the world, but is having trouble actually executing on them on a consistent basis. And maybe they've been that way for a while also, so they've been stuck in thought loops. They've been kind of like pushing the food around the plate. So, they're they're not doing the actions that actually move the needle. Or they might even be saying to people, like I was, "Oh, I'm going to do this. I've got this great idea." And nothing comes of it. If the people who are tired of being stuck in inaction and want to actually turn their ideas into tangible outcomes that can be presented or enjoyed or consumed in the world. So, I I think my community is a community of doers.

Maximiliano: Mm. Straight up doers.

Miles: Yeah, yeah. That are crazy interested about other people.

Maximiliano: What do you think your viewership could take from what we've been building here beyond the horizon? And what do you think we should take from you?

Miles: So, I guess you're saying you're a community of doers, so I mean that alone is a good impetus for my viewers to get from your viewers. Just by their very nature, they are very creative people, very idea-driven. And your community could potentially understand how to ideate in more interesting ways and how to challenge very linear processes of thinking and maybe expand their mind in certain ways and come up with more interesting thought processes.

Maximiliano: More interesting thought processes. What do you mean by that? If you could expand on that topic.

Miles: So, like diving deeper um thinking maybe, you know, engaging that divergent So, divergent thinking is like the mode of thinking we're in when we're coming up with ideas, we're creating, we're exploring stuff in our mind. And if you are, I guess, too linear in your thinking, you might rule out certain possibilities. The issue some of the people I teach have is they're trying to explore too many and they don't end up getting anywhere. But, I think if you can again allocate the ideation time, but then allocate the execution time, you can have the best of both. Being able to just explore your brain in different ways and be open to different ways of thinking, that can really be beneficial to the style or the types of output you can create.

Maximiliano: You talked about being sober. Do you Do you reckon that was like a tilting point towards stop exploring all types of ideas, but focus on getting sober?

Miles: You mean the process how I got sober or like, you know, the process of getting sober? Life before Again, I was doing doing the marketing stuff to a good degree. Like I said, also I was enjoying alcohol a bit too much as well at the same time. And I think because of the way I worked, I had control of my own time. And some of the stuff I was doing, it was very fairly easy for me, given how long I've been doing it. And I was I was quite comfortable. I was able to imbibe, drink, whatever, and still get my work done. But, also that meant that I did my client stuff, but all the other ideas I had, they were going unmet. And I was just I didn't know that the drinking was kind of like impeding me. But, because I was so comfortable and I was getting paid well and I was actually getting my client work done, I just fell into that loop.

Maximiliano: Salary. Salary.

Miles: Yeah, fell into the loop. And then I was like, "You know what? I think I need to actually move forward. I need to actually cut this out." Yeah, like 6 months into sobriety, I kind of realized that the whole thinking and doing thing, like separating like the ideation, the strategy from the actual execution was what I needed. I was on the train when it happened. I was sat on the train and I was just like all of a sudden I was like, "Bro, you're just always stuck in a thought loop. You always go to do something, you start going off into a next realm of thinking." And when I said, "Okay, I've got to separate those." I did my research into productivity systems and uh things started to move.

Maximiliano: I think I I went through a similar process at some point.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: For me, it was a two-step process. I call it three-step because recently I just had like another breakthrough.

Miles: Okay, nice.

Maximiliano: The first breakthrough was weed. I was doing a lot of weed, a lot of other drugs. I was stealing back in the day.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: But I was into all of that stuff and as soon as I came to Europe I decided to quit and that like opened up an opportunity start to go and running every day etc. etc. Became very very fit, very disciplined.

Miles: on track, yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah, back on track. After second step I would say it was I a breakup before different reasons. In my opinion that was a sort of sobriety

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: of needing a partner. It was like a that second wake up.

Miles: Yeah, wake up call, yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah, wake up call, yeah. Yeah, wake up call, wake up moment which was okay, like stop thinking about this. This is your main thing and now recently I've had another one which is

Miles: temptation. Yeah, that's a big one, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maximiliano: For men

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: hear me out. If you want to get done, just think about I've bought one company. I'm about to buy another one. That that is what it did.

Miles: Yeah,

Maximiliano: yeah. I'm not kidding.

Miles: Yeah. So I do get that. Yeah.

Maximiliano: Was it for you kind of the same?

Miles: Yeah, like you I think it's almost like putting a limit on yourself. There's endless potential as men in particular in your case where you talk about the seed as a certain kind of energy and retaining it gives you like I remember I've done um

Maximiliano: Are you into that? Are you

Miles: I've done I've done yeah I've done I've done like I've done retention before. Um I didn't knew that it was called retention.

Maximiliano: Yeah, yeah, I've done

Miles: I've always done it though.

Maximiliano: Yeah, yeah, I've I remember I was at my at my height of it. I was like flying out of the bed in the morning because I was had so much energy built up and I was like what's next? What have I got to do? Let's go. Let's go.

Miles: That's good. That's a lot of men like I think a lot of men probably will never feel because they're just they're just all the time it's like bro like if you if you can control some of that you can actually give yourself like a battery like a crazy battery. Like you said you've just like got like what three companies or something. It's like that speaks for itself.

Maximiliano: The way I explained it to my to my brother

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: because I think that's the the way to go about it

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: is imagine every single cell that

Miles:

Maximiliano: that that you've had towards women

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: and to like sex and like all of this and not only that but attracting women, looking better and all all of these things that we do just to get sex basically.

Miles: Yeah, yeah.

Maximiliano: You would focus that on achieving your goals. Where would you be? You just easily

Miles: Clear, absolutely clear, yeah.

Maximiliano: Being able to make that change. Well done by the way, bro. Well done by the way, bro.

Miles: Oh, thank you.

Maximiliano: That's that's huge I think, you know.

Miles: Only thanks to God, man.

Maximiliano: Yeah, yeah, man upstairs, yeah, 100%. I think this is why I also try and commend people for a change. I think helping not helping rather but like being able to pat people on the back as well is really good. I think a lot I think a lot of people are scared to show love. Men in particular.

Miles: Yeah, I think that goes a long way. I think I'd have had that kind of reinforcement oh yeah this that was cool. That was good. It would have helped break down some of the psychological aspects of me believing that I was misunderstood. Sometimes I see people and they're and they're trying new things and I'm like that's amazing, bro. Keep going. Even those small gestures can really help someone keep on that path and I think sometimes people there's a whole crowd consensus where people sometimes only agree or acknowledge someone's talent or potential when other people do it. They'll be like okay this person's amazing cuz loads of people have said it but sometimes you'll see someone who's genuinely amazing in what they do and people don't give them the recognition and I think that's use your own sense of okay what do I like? Is this do I find this cool or do I find value in this? Don't look at what other people think of it. Like look at how you feel about it.

Maximiliano: Well, I think um it comes down to this love for the effortlessness. I think it's something rooted in in our culture about the effortlessness which is the opposite in the East. All about effort and putting the effort in

Miles: Mhm.

Maximiliano: and like putting the work so you get the result you want. In the West it's the opposite.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: The hero has to be born

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: a hero. I love that. Not created a hero. It's never the case though, is it? And I would say specifically to women I would say awful how we expect women to act effortlessly feminine for example.

Miles: Yeah, yeah.

Maximiliano: Or effortlessly being everything, you know? Yeah. That we expect women to be instead of changing and saying oh you know what? I really appreciated that your cooking was terrible at the beginning but now it's improving, you know? Well, it's that's not the best way to to say it but basically, you know, on those lines, you know?

Miles: Yeah, like

Maximiliano: What an example. Oh, I'm going to get clipped out.

Miles: Um Yeah, I think the whole idea of like being pre-ready it is a good point you've raised about people being effortless. They want to be cool and nonchalant and I, you know, I'm just that guy or whatever. It's like no everyone has to put work in. Like you look at some of the most respected, most well-renowned people in the world they had the skill set but they had the effort as well. You know what I mean? You look at someone like a Michael Jordan he was shooting on that he was shooting like buckets all day trying to get better. No one there's no one really that has the skill set and just gets it unless they're like you know if they're you know maybe if they're like very very rich they've got very very rich parents or something they can like just get something ready but for most people it's okay I've got this skill but I need to put the effort in as well. I I will never get it. This effortlessly type thing.

Maximiliano: I'm not cool enough to be that effortless. Do you know what I mean? I'm not

Miles: Me neither. I'm I'm not cool at all and I I've been struggling the whole

Maximiliano: my whole life, man. Yeah. Yeah and like test and stuff like that.

Miles: Yeah. So it's yeah it's

Maximiliano: That's it's I I think we're not destined to be um nonchalant as some of these these these people are.

Miles: Yeah, yeah.

Maximiliano: Well, and I think here's where perfectionism lies.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: As you said they overthink so that it's perfect at the beginning. For the for you viewers watch the first episode. See how the microphones are.

Miles:

Maximiliano: Now you we have this smooth voice coming from us.

Miles: Yeah, the the like I said the whole example with Michael Jordan shooting buckets, you know, that is taking shots at goal. That's that's actually another principle I teach is the whole idea of small bets. That is very much like

Maximiliano: Small bets?

Miles: Yeah, yeah, so that's very much like you know literally Michael Jordan shooting buckets. It's like rather than putting all your eggs into one basket, you know, take small bets and obviously the perfectionism thing is oh I've got this great idea and it's so great you put it on the pedestal and it's going to be amazing and what happens is when you do that you keep trying to refine this idea forever and ever and ever or you or you refine to a point of not getting it out or if you do get it out because you've put so much stock into that idea if it gets released into the world and people don't react the way you want you're disappointed cuz you've put so much on this one idea. So it's better to be like okay cool the more shots at goal I take then the more chances of me putting something out there that is that's going to hit. So Michael Jordan he's literally taking shots like learning, getting better every day. At every single angle of the game of basketball

Maximiliano: I see.

Miles: There's not he wasn't just like holding the ball for like hours and be like okay I'm going to get this shot right like this. He was just shooting shooting and through that he managed to get forward momentum.

Maximiliano: Through that repetition.

Miles: Yeah, but that's but it's like you know at the end of the day the people that are known they executed. You can have a you can have a great ideas but if they're in your head it doesn't mean anything.

Maximiliano: Well, I I think I do like Michael Jordan. I like the spirit of Michael Jordan. This spirit of just domination.

Miles:

Maximiliano: Absolute domination.

Miles: He wasn't kidding. Yeah, yeah, no he didn't play around at all, man.

Maximiliano: But what I really appreciate on on the on the other end was Kobe Bryant. Kobe for me is the goat.

Miles: Yeah, rest in peace. Yeah, again you look at any great though. Like he's he's a hell of a great but you look at any great, you know, none of them rested on their laurels.

Maximiliano: No.

Miles: Yeah, they didn't you know it wasn't like okay I'm going to get up I'm going to chill. I'll take my time. They were like okay now I'll think about it.

Maximiliano: Yeah, yeah.

Miles: I was like oh oh you know you know maybe oh I need like the right jersey to go out onto the the court and practice oh this basketball is not the right they were just like no I'm I'm shooting. I'm going out there. I'm doing it and then they became known so it's all in the execution.

Maximiliano: Yeah. I know you can't say the names and so on because of GDPR but who has been somebody okay don't tell us the name but like what have you coached in that aspect with other people?

Miles: Okay, so you mean in terms of beating perfectionism?

Maximiliano: Yeah, well, on shooting the baskets and following the steps that you talked about Michael Jordan.

Miles: So certain people there was one client in particular. She had a great sense of forward momentum in work so being a lawyer and she was making great strides in that and she's actually doing too much work really but she had a a liking for music DJing in particular which may not seem like those two things that go together and the issue was okay something she thought about all the time and when we met we started talking about okay you've got this idea to do DJing a talent which you know people have said to okay cool yeah you should do it cuz she had a great taste in music. She's great at picking tunes, selecting tunes and I kind of helped her say say okay cool you've had this idea for DJing for a while and you've not really done it. And I understand there are time constraints with your job as well. But at the same time, it's kind of futile talking about it and talking about it. You either do it or you stop talking about it." Essentially. Do you know what I mean? Like what Like, you know, you're just exhausting yourself. You're like putting yourself in fantasy. And so, we started working together. And I basically just set her out, "Okay, cool. You want to be able to record a short set by the end of this period of time." And we did that by breaking it down into 4 weeks. I like to work in 4 week sprints. It's a good It's a good time frame to get a goal a goal done. Do you know what I mean? 4 week sprints. And break them down into smaller spr- smaller objectives for each week. And then each day she was doing like 45 minutes. And she's making progress. But it was at the same time and it was the same amount of time. And it was just like she she didn't have to think, "Okay, when do I do this?" She knew when she had to do it. She knew what she had to do on each day. And yeah, she recorded a set and she it was like, "This is great. I've made more progress in this 1 month than I than I've ever had before." So, even just a little Like, you know, I said 45 minutes. It's not a lot of time. But it is more about the repetition than having a huge amount of time, which is something, you know, you mentioned earlier.

Maximiliano: As I said, I like to present myself to places.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah. So, uh somebody asked me like how an an ADHD guy like that guy has like massive ADHD. Yeah. Uh it was one of the guests uh here. It was episode four five, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Isaac. He said, "How do you do this?"

Miles:

Maximiliano: And I was like, "Look, if you're thinking of going to the gym, put your shoes and your job is only to cross the the doors of the gym. Then you can say to yourself, 'I went to the gym.'" Yeah. You might not have done the workout, but you went to the gym. Yeah. So, when the standard is so low that even you can do it half asleep, then is when you get consistency.

Miles: Yeah. So, my standard, for example, for the gym is just presenting myself putting running shoes. Not even going to the gym. Yeah. I had to I had to lower the standards. Sometimes you got to. That's true. Yeah, that is true. I feel like I've heard an example like that before with the whole gym thing. I just when I talk about psychological identity, with that example, you're essentially being someone who goes to the gym. You're building up that identity.

Maximiliano: Oh, I didn't know that, but it makes sense now.

Miles: Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like, "Well, I'm stepping through the door. I've gone to the gym." You might not have worked hard, but you've been to the gym. And then what that does is that habit changes your identity some- to someone who goes to the gym. So, now there's no psychological pushback. So, then once a then after a certain amount of time, because that's your identity, going to the gym doesn't take any effort. So, then you're like, "Well, I'm here now. Didn't take me any effort. I may as well use a machine." And you start working out. So, it's just this It's crazy. You basically cheat yourself, in my opinion, on working out on

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Miles: on staying consistent.

Maximiliano: Yeah. That's a good good thing you did, man, with the shoes. To the viewers out there, man, just if you don't go to the gym, just put your shoes on. Put your shoes on, mate. Yeah. And sometimes you got to like lower for certain you lower standards for periods of time. Cuz it changes your your mood changes, seasons change. And therefore, cuz we're mammals, you got to understand that we're in seasons. So, for example, in spring, most couples will appear. So,

Miles:

Maximiliano: you got to understand that. And therefore, why? Because well, in spring, mammals have tried to have kids, mate. And that's That's a normal thing. Therefore, for my Christians out there or for the people trying to stay in the path of not falling into lust,

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: you got to be specially careful in spring. In winter, you will be more depressed because you have no vitamin D. Therefore, you got to set like standards and like manage your, you know, your expectations, yeah.

Miles: That's a really good point, actually. Um But I think you're better on that. You're the coach here, mate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, setting on That's another thing um the precursor to a lot of productive output is how you look after yourself as well. What you consume, how you sleep. For a long time in in a lot of hustle culture, it was the thing to not sleep. Or they'll be like, "Oh, you don't need to."

Maximiliano: I am like that.

Miles: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need to sleep, bro.

Maximiliano: No, I don't go to sleep. I take creatine. 20 g of creatine. But the thing is if you slept on top of that, you'd be different level. I think sleep, like with me, I think I was always biased because when I don't sleep enough, I'm I'm useless. I think some people are some people are like when they can just go without sleep. I can go without sleep. I don't mind

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: I would say to those people, you go without sleep, but what if you did have it on top? You'd be like next level. Again, it's going back to the whole being having a limiter. You're putting a limiter on yourself when you don't have enough restoration.

Miles: I think I've learned something there. Once every quarter, I let myself sleep for a day. No alarms, no

Maximiliano: Okay.

Miles: You just sleep for 1 day, an entire day. You recover all the sleep that you had. And then you can still go.

Maximiliano: Yeah. It sounds weird, but I mean, it has worked for me.

Miles: Yeah, I mean, I would say I'm not sure how sustainable it is, but you know,

Maximiliano: It's a great question. Yeah. Yeah, we'll we'll we'll find out maybe how sustainable it is at some point, but

Miles: um

Maximiliano: I hope you can I I just hope you get your rest enough, bro. That's all. So, mentor me then. Cuz I I need some help, mate.

Miles: Yeah. Yeah. No, 100%. I mean, like how how often do you sleep per night?

Maximiliano: Uh about five five and a half.

Miles: Ooh.

Maximiliano: Sometimes seven. Sometimes seven. Seven's very proud that I sleep

Miles: Seven's good. Seven's good. I mean, I feel very proud that

Maximiliano: You go on your phone before you um before you sleep.

Miles: Yeah, I'm working most of the time.

Maximiliano: Okay. Okay. Okay. Am I the studying or working or I don't know. I have meetings quite late as well.

Miles: Okay.

Maximiliano: So, I would say maybe get off your phone an hour before you go to bed cuz the blue light will affect your quality of sleep. If you're already getting five and a half hours,

Miles: Mhm.

Maximiliano: You want good five and a half I mean, five and a half hours isn't enough for me personally, I feel, but

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: you want the blue light to not affect your rhythm. I guess I get up, go to bed the same time. Me personally, a lot of people might disagree, but I'm a bit of a night owl. So, I go to bed quite late. Most people don't and that's how most people are. But doesn't matter what time you get up or go to bed, same time, really.

Miles: There's a thing that I think I've got very good

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Miles: Like no matter what, I wake up at 8.

Maximiliano: Yeah, nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. Like that has changed. Things I also work with people in Chile. So, that's 5 hour difference. It has to be after working hours. So, after 6 there. Therefore, 11.

Miles: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Maximiliano: So, you're a little bit like that's where it starts the meeting.

Miles: Okay.

Maximiliano: So, it's it's the it's the it's the jet lag basically between times that is affecting you.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: And then you stay up late and so on. And then you have to think about different things or whatever. And

Miles: So, the meeting started there. Yeah. Therefore,

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Miles: a little bit later here. Just a little bit.

Maximiliano: Wow. Wow. Okay.

Miles: I guess then as is there's not too much you can do if like, you know, you're going if you have to be up to do certain meetings.

Maximiliano: The meeting's always in the week.

Miles: Mm.

Maximiliano: No, they're they're on my days off.

Miles: Okay.

Maximiliano: Okay. Cuz it would just be

Miles:

Maximiliano: I don't know if that's worse or better, but I've tried to keep one day off, but I like the six to one

Miles: Okay.

Maximiliano: Okay.

Miles: Okay.

Maximiliano: I like being very very Christian to to my my work.

Miles: Yeah, I like I like doing 6 days as well. I'll

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Miles: Six and one. Yeah. Yeah.

Maximiliano: I think I feel like when you are locked into something you really like doing, you know, your passion, you're actually acting out, you know, the things that you want to do, 6 days isn't hard to do.

Miles: No, not at all. I don't understand why people don't do seven.

Maximiliano:

Miles: I need to like keep myself from doing seven.

Maximiliano: Yeah, same. Like I get to my day off and

Miles: I love what I do, mate. I have to plan out leisurely activities to make sure I don't work on that day off.

Maximiliano: You do That's why I go to church, actually.

Miles: Yeah. Yeah. It's good. It's good. That's good.

Maximiliano: I tried to keep one evening and one morning off cuz

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: it does fluctuate quite a little quite a little bit. So, for example, today's Sunday. We're recording on Sunday. Today was supposed to be my day off.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, bro.

Miles: No. No. No. No. But I had two meetings.

Maximiliano: Yeah. I I I scheduled you.

Miles: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Maximiliano: So, it was my fault. So, I keep my morning holy, basically.

Miles: Yeah. Yeah.

Maximiliano: And then yesterday night as well, that was my alone time.

Miles: Okay.

Maximiliano: Then I watch like series or like I go to a park in the morning without music. That's I go out of rule. I go to Ashton Gate. As soon as I touch that or like earth, I'm not allowed to have my headphones on. And then when I enter the cafe, so it's like a half an hour walk. It's not it's not a big one.

Miles: Half an hour, Yeah.

Maximiliano: just me listening to nature. That's how I reset myself for the week.

Miles: That's great. That's great. I think it's very important to have time without the stimulation. I've got a friend and she does somatic work, which is, you know, how the

Maximiliano: What is that?

Miles: So, that's how like the mind and the body can affect one another. And sometimes if you have traumas, they can they can have physical symptoms.

Maximiliano: Oh, I see. Okay.

Miles: Yeah. Yeah. So, she was talking about um how images they can amp us up, like video particularly, because there's a lot of movement going on on screen, but we are still. It's like we're engaging in movement, but we're not actually moving. And it creates like a tension in our body. So, it's called watching movement.

Maximiliano: That's crazy.

Miles: It's It's mad. So, like it's cool to watch series and stuff, but if you on your time off, you're always watching that, you're not completely relaxing cuz your body's like it's trying to move, but you're not you're intaking movement, you're not actually moving. But if you go dancing, that's natural cuz you're actually moving. You You know what I'm saying? Like

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Miles: It's crazy. So, that's that's one area of my

Maximiliano: Which areas of life would you like to or which areas do you

Miles: coach? So, areas of life that I coach, I would say, if I were to roughly break it down, you know, we could say it's productivity, we could say it's psychology, but it kind of coalesces into a whole thing of essentially helping people go from a a space of inaction.

Maximiliano: I got an issue.

Miles: Go on, yeah.

Maximiliano: I'm studying business analysis. I've done the course already. I think the course has been done for about 2 months now.

Miles: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maximiliano: And I've been pushing the test.

Miles: Okay.

Maximiliano: Guys, so you know, I do like I'm not perfect.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: So, there is stuff that has been done with the podcast and like my other businesses.

Miles: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maximiliano: But on this stuff, for example, I'm useless.

Miles: Yeah, okay. How can I go about it? Cuz I've tried to go about it, but it's

Maximiliano: So, you said the test is You're delaying the test or

Miles: Yeah, I'm delaying the test. I can choose whenever I want to have the test.

Maximiliano: Okay. And once I have the test and I will pass it,

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: I'll get a placement somewhere.

Miles: Okay.

Maximiliano: But you're just delay- but you're just delaying it, you know what I'm saying? So, what

Miles: I'm delaying all this stuff. So, for no reason. So, I mean, there might be a reason. What is it about the test that you think will be so difficult?

Maximiliano: So, I've done uh micro tests or like uh how do you call them? Like practice tests?

Miles: Yeah, yeah.

Maximiliano: And I've achieved a result that is okay. And I know for business analysis, they will look into the grades and see, okay, does this guy know what he's talking about, you know? Cuz he has very little

Miles: No, I do have experience in business analysis, so that's not an issue, but I would say the fear of not achieving a little bit more or higher grade or whatever.

Maximiliano: Okay. But oh my good- oh my goodness, you're like a therapist.

Miles:

Maximiliano: The fear of not achieving that grade, but cuz you said that you think you have the capability to do it.

Miles: I'm I'm sure of it.

Maximiliano: And you know and you're sure of it, yeah. So, the fear, I guess, is that coming from your persona, from what I'm getting is you're quite a high achiever, and you action the stuff that is in your head, but because you're tied to that persona, there is a slight fear that if you don't achieve that, it's not going to match up with the person you know yourself as.

Miles: Fair enough. Fair enough.

Maximiliano: You're like, okay, if I don't get this result, that's what you're putting off, you know what I'm saying? If you don't get this result, then it's going to it might crash everything psychologically, what you know yourself to be. You've already achieved a lot, and you expect yourself to get that high mark.

Miles: I would say on on studying, I think it's a little bit different. So, on practical matters, I would say, yes, I am a high achiever. On other matters, specifically towards studying,

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Miles: I think myself as somebody that has struggled the whole life with studying.

Maximiliano: okay, okay.

Miles: I do not like studying. Studying things that I find useless. And most of the course that I I'm studying right now is useless. It's like names Name me the type of analysis required for this particular procedure. Who cares about the name? Like, what what it matters is what's the process, you know?

Maximiliano: Yeah.

Miles: So, you think the test is a little futile.

Maximiliano: A little bit, in my opinion.

Miles: Okay, and it's not going to add anything to your repertoire.

Maximiliano: I think it will demonstrate to corporate that I know the thing. But uh I think I've got problems with authority there, so it's

Miles: Mhm. Mhm.

Maximiliano: It's rubbing you a little bit, yeah. It's rubbing you a little bit, yeah.

Miles: Oh my goodness. I've always had that, so

Maximiliano: Okay.

Miles: So, so you would address it that instead of addressing the actual problem or

Maximiliano: No, I think

Miles: How would a normal one of your normal sessions go like? Well, okay, so think with this whole test thing, you can have it anytime. That's what makes it so open-ended. It means like, it doesn't really matter, so there's no limit, there's no constraint. I guess what we Is there any detriment to not taking the test? Not getting a job that is like in a corporate entity.

Maximiliano: Okay. Pretty safe job as well.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Do you want that job?

Miles: I don't think I want it.

Maximiliano: Mhm.

Miles: I think it's a job that I would take, but because of what I'm doing and because of the business that I'm looking into right now, that business if it goes through, would change my entire life.

Maximiliano: Okay. Because of the how big it is and so on.

Miles: Yeah. So, again, it sounds like I talk about losing possibilities, but I tell my audience

Maximiliano: it's losing possibilities?

Miles: Well, you're like, okay, this job, you're not super keen on it, but it's almost like if I take this job, then I can't do this thing with my other business.

Maximiliano: I don't think it's a can't. It's just the focus go in the other way.

Miles: Yeah, so then you'd wouldn't have the I guess all the attention to put into the actual business because you're doing this corporate thing. So, it's okay, I don't want to lose potentially I don't

Maximiliano: Yeah, but it's like potentially I don't want to lose out on the focus on this business. So, it seems like you pretty much said you're not super enthused about the job itself, and that's why that's why you're like, okay, I don't need to Theoretically, you could just not take the test at all.

Miles: Well, I have been doing that.

Maximiliano: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Miles: That's what I'm saying.

Maximiliano:

Miles: That's what I'm saying.

Maximiliano: Actively doing that. That's what I'm saying. If we say, okay, cool, I do want to take the test, and it was a question of, okay, say for example, you know what? I need this job. I've got to take this test.

Miles: Mhm.

Maximiliano: Then it'd be a case of setting that deadline and being like, okay, cool. Setting yourself up to have the weekly objectives, but having just your little time slot where you work on it, do you know what I mean? Every day, having a certain amount of time. You know, it's fairly simple. On a Sunday, you'd block out what tasks you need to do, and you just and you put them

Miles: You just put them in, yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah, you'd have a grid. So, what I do is like I have a I have my grid with all my sessions, and I say I plan out my week. You know, like I said, I do a 90-minute session of two 40-minute blocks. I'll say two tasks, one session one, session two on Monday, and then that blocks out my whole week.

Miles: So, then you would probably be like, okay, cool, I need to revise this thing for this week. This is this week's focus. So, you might take the task of passing the test, break it down into four things for the four weeks, and then for each of those objectives, you're like, okay, I need to do these tasks, and then you just map them out.

Maximiliano: Oh my goodness, I think I might I might be one of your customers, man.

Miles:

Maximiliano: Oh my goodness, this is like a therapy session or something.

Miles: Well, you know, I aim to aim to please.

Miles:

Maximiliano: Aim to help aim to help further.

Miles: Yeah?

Maximiliano: Ideas, yeah, man. Yeah. I mean, it is quite interesting to see a different perspective on on what I'm doing. Yeah. And how I've been

Miles: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maximiliano: I see I see I see what you're doing.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah, man. Well, you know, maybe those ideas are thinking will stew as you when when I when I'm gone, you'll be like, oh, maybe I should have take the test. Maybe I should have Or maybe I should just leave the test completely, but you know, what what it's just depends what you want in your heart. I am of the opinion that it should make sense

Miles: Mhm.

Maximiliano: And you should be okay with it, at least emotionally.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano:

Miles: okay with it, and you think and and it makes sense, you should go with it.

Maximiliano: Maybe I've been delaying putting a deadline. And I think I'll I'll do it as soon as we stop the podcast, actually.

Miles: Yeah, yeah. Put the deadline in, get it get it ready and marked in, man. I mean, if you want, we can do a live in your account, and then I'll be I'll be there saying, oh yeah, I did this test. I'll be I'll be one of your

Maximiliano: Well, I can Yeah, if you want, I can help you map something out, if you like that.

Miles: Of what?

Maximiliano: I can help you map something out, if you like that.

Miles: What is mapping and something out?

Maximiliano: Okay,

Miles: Just like you lost me here, man.

Maximiliano: Just just like, you know, setting the goal and setting what you need to do each week and setting the tasks you need to do, or the sessions, rather. Maybe we don't need to do it now, but if you want help at some point, I can be like, okay, cool, this is what we do.

Maximiliano: Oh my goodness, this guy is like Yo, stop selling me, man. I do like it, but stop selling me, man. Guys, I would strongly recommend you to book a call, mainly because this this little session that we just had has helped me quite a lot, actually. I'll work on it, actually. I'll actually work on it.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Let me think about the mapping process, because that would take a little bit of time.

Miles: No pressure, bro. No pressure.

Maximiliano: Miles, man. Yeah. Thank you very much for being here.

Miles: No worries, man.

Maximiliano:

Miles: Really appreciate it, so

Maximiliano: Yeah, I really appreciate being here, and um guys, thank you for for watching and having us.

Miles: Yeah.

Maximiliano: Yeah, thank you for listening to this week's podcast. You can find Miles Um Instagram and TikTok at It's Hardly Perfect.

Miles: TikTok, It's Hardly Perfect. Instagram, It's Hardly Perfect, yeah.

Maximiliano: Or It's Hardly Perfect as well. Well, Hardly Perfect is the name, but the handle is It's Hardly Perfect.

Miles: Ah, perfect. I see I see I see. Ah, perfect. Yeah, there we go.

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